On 05 Mar 2010, at 03:20 , Alejandro Garcia wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Andrey Fedorov <[email protected]> wrote:
> The picture you gave isn't a system, it's a directed graph.


Andrey Fedorov!  

You have failed to observe the bananas in System B!

Directed graphs do not have bananas you dumbass! 

Don't you know anything?

;-)


> I guess you're implying anything you imagine to be a "system" can be 
> represented as a graph - but what is a system?


Processes in living creatures, social organizations or other phenomena that are 
operating synchronously in respect of one another are usually what we mean when 
we speak of systems.

Which I wouldn't know today if it weren't for a philosophy major with his 
regulation-issue bong.

Specifically:

The picture Alejandro drew of System B used the CRT notation developed by Dr 
Goldratt.

An arrow between two processes shows that the tail process must first complete 
before the head process can commence.

A 'banana' operator between two arrows shows that all the tail processes so 
joined must complete before the head process can commence.

Where there are multiple tail processes feeding into a head process without a 
banana operator joining them, the head entity will commence upon _any_ tail 
entity reaching completion.

I have found it to be a powerful tool for modeling program execution.



> Well it isn't a system in the same sense that a map isn't the terrain.
> A blue print isn't a building
> a paint isn't the object being painted.
> 
> I think peoplo call those things a representation. Maybe I'm mistaken.


You're not mistaken Alejandro.

I understood exactly what you meant.



> Also, you can define the "complexity" of a graph in any way you like. Until 
> you show that this definition is somehow representative of the real world, 
> you're just masturbating.
> 
> 
> Ok for example in the real world the realization that is possible to know how 
> a system with several interactions will behave in a predictible way is the 
> basis of Systems Thinking and the Theory of Constraints. Both with huge 
> impact in systems from manufacturing to epidemic distribution.


_IF_ you'd have to walk him through CRT's first to explain what you mean _AND_ 
he has already made up his mind that you don't know what you're talking about 
about _THEN_ he's unlikely to sit still for the two or three days it would take 
for him to realize his mistake.

;-)

Are you actively busy with any research or applications of TOC & Systems 
Thinking to hardware design or programming Alejandro?

Also of interest:

  Akyil - "How The Theory of Constraints Can Help Software Optimization"
  http://www.drdobbs.com/development-tools/218101302

  Rippenhagen, Krishnaswamy - "Implementing the theory of constraints 
philosophy in highly reentrant systems"
  http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=293172.293397  
  (*cough* http://www.2shared.com/file/11859475/5abe015c/p993-rippenhagen.html)

 - antoine


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