Fonc bounced me on sending the Balzer doc directly, but here is the link at RAND
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_memoranda/2009/RM5772.pdf
A few more references below
Cheers,
Alan
>________________________________
> From: Alan Kay <[email protected]>
>To: Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:52 AM
>Subject: Re: [fonc] LightTable UI
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>Check out Bob Balzer's EXDAMS from the late 60s (attached -- there is also an
>AFIPS paper on this).
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>Also take a look at Warren Teitelbaum's DWIM (and his earlier attempt at an
>"Advice Taker" UI -- called "Pilot" -- his MIT Phd Thesis).
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>And there is Dan Swinehart's later Stanford PhD thesis that takes a further
>step -- called "Copilot".
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>And ....
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>... of course, there is the Viewpoints "Worlds" paper ...
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>Cheers,
>
>
>Alan
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>> From: Jarek Rzeszótko <[email protected]>
>>To: Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]>
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:32 AM
>>Subject: Re: [fonc] LightTable UI
>>
>>
>>On the other hand, Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat
>>it.
>>
>>Also, please excuse me (especially Julian Leviston) for maybe sounding too
>>pessimistic and too offensive, the idea surely is exciting, my point is just
>>that it excited me and probably many other persons before Bret Victor or
>>Chris Granger did (very interesting) demos of it and what would _really_
>>excite me now is any glimpse of any idea whatsoever on how to make such
>>things work in a general enough domain. Maybe they have or will have such
>>idea, that would be cool, but until that time I think it's not unreasonable
>>to restrain a bit, especially those ideas are relatively easy to realize in
>>special domains and very hard to generalize to the wide scope of software
>>people create.
>>
>>I would actually also love to hear from someone more knowledgeable about
>>interesting historic attempts at doing such things, e.g. reversible
>>computations, because there certainly were some: for one I remember a few
>>years ago "back in time debugging" was quite a fashionable topic of talks
>>(just google the phrase for a sampling), from a more hardware/physical
>>standpoint there is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing etc.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Jarosław Rzeszótko
>>
>>
>>2012/4/24 David Nolen <[email protected]>
>>
>>"The best way to predict the future is to invent it"
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:50 AM, Jarek Rzeszótko <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>You make it sound a bit like this was a working solution already, while it
>>>seems to be a prototype at best, they are collecting funding right now:
>>>http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/306316578/light-table.
>>>>
>>>>I would love to be proven wrong, but I think given the state of the
>>>>project, many people overexcite over it: some of the things proposed aren't
>>>>new, just wrapped into a nice modern design (you could try to create a new
>>>>"skin" or UI toolkit for some Smalltalk IDE for a similiar effect), while
>>>>for the ones that would be new like the real-time evaluation or
>>>>visualisation there is too little detail to say whether they are onto
>>>>something or not - I am sure many people thought of such things in the
>>>>past, but it is highly questionable to what extent those are actually
>>>>doable, especially in an existing language like Clojure or JavaScript. I am
>>>>not convinced if dropping 200,000$ at the thing will help with coming up
>>>>with a solution if there is no decent set of ideas to begin with. I would
>>>>personally be much more enthusiastic if the people behind the project at
>>>>least outlined possible approaches they might take, before trying to
>>>>collect money. Currently it
sounds like they just plan to "hack" it until it handles a reasonable number
of special cases, but tools that work only some of the time are favoured by
few. I think we need good theoretical approaches to problems like this before
we can make any progress in how the actual real tools work like.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Jarosław Rzeszótko
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>2012/4/24 Julian Leviston <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>>Thought this is worth a look as a next step after Brett Victor's work
>>>>(http://vimeo.com/36579366) on UI for programmers...
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table
>>>>>
>>>>>We're still not quite "there" yet IMHO, but that's getting towards the
>>>>>general direction... tie that in with a tile-script like language, and I
>>>>>think we might have something really useful.
>>>>>
>>>>>Julian
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