Thanks for your reply Alan. I understand that your research is meant to find completely new ways to create software. It's fascinating and fun.
I agree with David about the importance a 'snapshot' at least, in whatever form you can afford to deliver it. An archive file with sources and run-able versions of your projects and maybe even an hour long screencast showing how to start up and play with them in their most interesting and useful way might inspire people to take your work and turn it into something useful and valuable. Who knows how your research could possibly be used in surprising and productive ways that would put a smile on your face. I would hate to see what you've done disappear into the haze. Have you considered that VPRI's STEPS research could be used as the basis for some projects in the next Google Summer of Code session? Thanks for the very inspiring work you've been doing. I look forward to reading your next report. -Carl From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Girle Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 5:18 PM To: Alan Kay; Fundamentals of New Computing Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? If analogies from other industries work, it is not the role of scientists to deliver production ready systems, that has been the role of engineers. Maybe a snapshot before you push on, would allow others on this list to learn more from your science projects so far. It may help the engineers more fully understand the technologies, as some of us work better with papers + artifacts, rather than just papers. With respect, David On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Alan Kay <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Carl Just to keep on saying it ... the STEPS project had/has completely different goals than the Smalltalk project -- STEPS really is a "science project" -- or a collection of science projects -- that has never been aimed at a deployable artifact, but instead is aimed at finding better and more compact ways to express meanings. We did make it possible to exhibit and permute a wide range of media in real-time -- it makes it much easier to show people the results of important pieces of code this way -- but this is quite a ways from the packaging and finishing that was done for the Smalltalks. However, it would be possible to do something analogous to a Smalltalk from the current state of things, but we are instead pushing even more deeply into "Whats" rather than "Hows". Cheers, Alan _____ From: Carl Gundel <[email protected]> To: 'Fundamentals of New Computing' <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? Thanks Kim. Will there be enough documentation for interested people to be able to build on top of VPRI's STEPS project? I'm thinking something like the blue book with a CDROM. :-) -Carl -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kim Rose Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:37 PM To: Fundamentals of New Computing Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? Hello, For those of you interested and waiting -- the NSF (National Science Foundation) funding for the 5-year "STEPS" project has now finished (we stretched that funding to last for 6 years). The final report on this work will be published and available on our website by the end of this calendar year. We have received some more funding (although not to the extent of this original 5-year grant) and our work will carry on. That said, we're always looking for more funding to maintain day to day operations so we welcome any support and donations at any time. :-) Regards, Kim Rose Viewpoints Research Institute Viewpoints Research is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to improving "powerful ideas education" for the world's children and advancing the state of systems research and personal computing. Please visit us online at www.vpri.org <http://www.vpri.org/> On Nov 8, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Carl Gundel wrote: > Well, I do hope that VPRI has managed to find more funding money so that this doesn't have to be a final STEP report. ;-) > > -Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Loup Vaillant > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:45 PM > To: Fundamentals of New Computing > Subject: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? > > Hi, > > The two last progress reports having being published in October, I was wondering if we will have the final one soon. Have we an estimation of when this might be completed? As a special request, I'd like to know a bit about what to expect. > > Unless of course it's all meant to be a surprise. But please at least tell me you have decided not to disclose anything right now. In any case, I promise I'll be patient. > > Cheers, > Loup. > > PS: If I sound like a jumping impatient child, that's because right > now, I feel like one. > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc _______________________________________________ fonc mailing list [email protected] http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc _______________________________________________ fonc mailing list [email protected] http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc _______________________________________________ fonc mailing list [email protected] http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
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