Hi, As an engineer / hobbyist, I have been waiting for the final release of the STEPS projet to communicate about it in my home country / language, both to foster interest and open up perspectives for the public.
I am glad to hear that the eventual release would not be 'final' but I am still expecting for a release anyhow. Some sort of source snapshot would allow an hobbyist like me to contribute packaging and practical documentation. I was considering the packaging of Frank in a virtual machine image, and the recording of a video demo / howto in youtube. If this work is successful and gather interest, maybe we could try to get space for an article in some development magazine, setup demos in free software technical conferences, etc.. I would like community projects and scientific research to help each others. Is there any issue of intellectual property which may prevent this ? My uninformed opinion was that NSF funds mandated public release of all software part of the funded research. Regards, Cyril HANSEN 2012/11/8 David Girle <[email protected]> > If analogies from other industries work, it is not the role of scientists > to deliver production ready systems, that has been the role of engineers. > Maybe a snapshot before you push on, would allow others on this list to > learn more from your science projects so far. > It may help the engineers more fully understand the technologies, as some > of us work better with papers + artifacts, rather than just papers. > > With respect, > > David > > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Alan Kay <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Carl >> >> Just to keep on saying it ... the STEPS project had/has completely >> different goals than the Smalltalk project -- STEPS really is a "science >> project" -- or a collection of science projects -- that has never been >> aimed at a deployable artifact, but instead is aimed at finding better and >> more compact ways to express meanings. >> >> We did make it possible to exhibit and permute a wide range of media in >> real-time -- it makes it much easier to show people the results of >> important pieces of code this way -- but this is quite a ways from the >> packaging and finishing that was done for the Smalltalks. >> >> However, it would be possible to do something analogous to a Smalltalk >> from the current state of things, but we are instead pushing even more >> deeply into "Whats" rather than "Hows". >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alan >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Carl Gundel <[email protected]> >> *To:* 'Fundamentals of New Computing' <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 7, 2012 2:45 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? >> >> Thanks Kim. Will there be enough documentation for interested people to >> be >> able to build on top of VPRI's STEPS project? I'm thinking something like >> the blue book with a CDROM. :-) >> >> -Carl >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Kim >> Rose >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:37 PM >> To: Fundamentals of New Computing >> Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? >> >> Hello, >> >> For those of you interested and waiting -- the NSF (National Science >> Foundation) funding for the 5-year "STEPS" project has now finished (we >> stretched that funding to last for 6 years). The final report on this >> work >> will be published and available on our website by the end of this calendar >> year. >> >> We have received some more funding (although not to the extent of this >> original 5-year grant) and our work will carry on. That said, we're >> always >> looking for more funding to maintain day to day operations so we welcome >> any >> support and donations at any time. :-) >> >> Regards, >> Kim Rose >> Viewpoints Research Institute >> >> Viewpoints Research is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to >> improving "powerful ideas education" for the world's children and >> advancing >> the state of systems research and personal computing. Please visit us >> online >> at www.vpri.org >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 8, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Carl Gundel wrote: >> >> > Well, I do hope that VPRI has managed to find more funding money so that >> this doesn't have to be a final STEP report. ;-) >> > >> > -Carl >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Loup Vaillant >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:45 PM >> > To: Fundamentals of New Computing >> > Subject: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > The two last progress reports having being published in October, I was >> wondering if we will have the final one soon. Have we an estimation of >> when >> this might be completed? As a special request, I'd like to know a bit >> about >> what to expect. >> > >> > Unless of course it's all meant to be a surprise. But please at least >> tell me you have decided not to disclose anything right now. In any case, >> I >> promise I'll be patient. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Loup. >> > >> > PS: If I sound like a jumping impatient child, that's because right >> > now, I feel like one. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fonc mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fonc mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fonc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fonc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fonc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > >
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