Now that I think of it, this is the old argument of immediate mode versus retained mode graphics. A hybrid system I believe is best. Postscript/pdf has 3 types of graphics. Images, text, and curves. Many systems these days only deal with images and text. I'd like to remind people that curves are important too. I realize that curves are decomposed into triangles and later textures, but if we manage them as curves, there's a chance for a better user experience. However some like bumpy user experiences and some like smooth user experiences. That's why we provide dual/hybrid modes. On Jul 20, 2013 4:20 PM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Another program which has worked well in dual text/graphic mode has been > dreamweaver. Yes I understand it may not do all the behavior you want. > However it doesn't stop you from adding that behavior. > On Jul 20, 2013 4:13 PM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> One such test automation system is Sikuli, which uses images and image >> recognition as key components. To implement the image as 1D text seems >> rather foolhardy. >> On Jul 20, 2013 4:09 PM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think one thing that has succeeded is macro editors. You can make >>> macro languages which work on selectors or add conditionals/recursion to >>> such a macro editor to achieve a fairly complete programming language. You >>> could also treat exceptions similar to conditionals. I believe the area >>> this works best for is test automation. >>> On Jul 20, 2013 11:22 AM, "frank" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 07/20/2013 04:21 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: >>>> >> 3) Get rid of established but unnatural ways of manipulating data. >>>> >> Most importantly, get rid of flat text and find neat graphical >>>> >> representations for the most common structures. >>>> > >>>> > Bouhahaha! >>>> >>>> This! >>>> >>>> There have been so many attempts - by people who were by no means >>>> stupid - to replace text as the primary representation of code! >>>> And ALL of them have failed, miserably! >>>> The best anyone has ever achieved was to enthuse a few managers, >>>> much to the detriment of the engineers who eventually had to use >>>> the shit on a daily basis! >>>> >>>> Also: >>>> 1D representations are established exactly BECAUSE they are NATURAL! >>>> >>>> The logical part of your mind (the neocortex, some people used to call >>>> it the "left half" of the brain, but this has firmly been established >>>> to be a somewhat shitty simplification) works serially in time: >>>> >>>> state(t+1) = f( state(t) , input(t) ) >>>> >>>> It works.... in 1D! An it likes representations in... 1D! >>>> >>>> Cheers, Frank >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fonc mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >>>> >>>
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