Thank you for the pointers to potentially relevant work. PB
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 12:43 AM, John Carlson <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe that X3D-Edit provides dual views. > On Jul 20, 2013 5:26 PM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sorry if I mixed 2D and 3D ideas here. >> On Jul 20, 2013 5:12 PM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Now that I think of it, this is the old argument of immediate mode >>> versus retained mode graphics. A hybrid system I believe is best. >>> Postscript/pdf has 3 types of graphics. Images, text, and curves. Many >>> systems these days only deal with images and text. I'd like to remind >>> people that curves are important too. I realize that curves are decomposed >>> into triangles and later textures, but if we manage them as curves, there's >>> a chance for a better user experience. However some like bumpy user >>> experiences and some like smooth user experiences. That's why we provide >>> dual/hybrid modes. >>> On Jul 20, 2013 4:20 PM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Another program which has worked well in dual text/graphic mode has >>>> been dreamweaver. Yes I understand it may not do all the behavior you >>>> want. However it doesn't stop you from adding that behavior. >>>> On Jul 20, 2013 4:13 PM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> One such test automation system is Sikuli, which uses images and image >>>>> recognition as key components. To implement the image as 1D text seems >>>>> rather foolhardy. >>>>> On Jul 20, 2013 4:09 PM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think one thing that has succeeded is macro editors. You can make >>>>>> macro languages which work on selectors or add conditionals/recursion to >>>>>> such a macro editor to achieve a fairly complete programming language. >>>>>> You >>>>>> could also treat exceptions similar to conditionals. I believe the area >>>>>> this works best for is test automation. >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2013 11:22 AM, "frank" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 07/20/2013 04:21 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: >>>>>>> >> 3) Get rid of established but unnatural ways of manipulating data. >>>>>>> >> Most importantly, get rid of flat text and find neat graphical >>>>>>> >> representations for the most common structures. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Bouhahaha! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There have been so many attempts - by people who were by no means >>>>>>> stupid - to replace text as the primary representation of code! >>>>>>> And ALL of them have failed, miserably! >>>>>>> The best anyone has ever achieved was to enthuse a few managers, >>>>>>> much to the detriment of the engineers who eventually had to use >>>>>>> the shit on a daily basis! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also: >>>>>>> 1D representations are established exactly BECAUSE they are NATURAL! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The logical part of your mind (the neocortex, some people used to >>>>>>> call >>>>>>> it the "left half" of the brain, but this has firmly been established >>>>>>> to be a somewhat shitty simplification) works serially in time: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> state(t+1) = f( state(t) , input(t) ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It works.... in 1D! An it likes representations in... 1D! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, Frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> fonc mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >>>>>>> >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > >
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