On Wednesday 01 August 2001 09:19, Alistair Hopkins wrote:
> I'm also using it in production to generate simple but nice printable
> invoices from a website.  As a precaution, only company staff can access
> the invoice download at the moment, but I'm going to throw it open to the
> punters soon as there have been 0 problems over the last 6 months.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex McLintock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>  --- Darren Munt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> > But you're right - nobody should be using the processor in production.
> > Not yet. When we think it's ready we'll say so.
> I've been using FOP in production for over six months, nearer twelve.
> This is only possibly however because we have a small set of required
> pages. We were able to test the fo templates prior to going live and the
> features we need
> work fine.
> So using FOP in production is no different from any other open source
> project:
>                   Test it to see whether it does what you want.

Agreed, to all. See my earlier reply to Darren. You guys are doing things 
right...for a variety of reasons (cost of ownership, ease of use, etc) you've 
all made an informed decision to use FOP. I think you all know that it 
doesn't do nearly everything and it doesn't do everything correctly, but 
there is a subset of stuff that FOP already handles OK.

I'm personally very pleased that FOP gets used. I'd be less interested in 
working on the thing if it wasn't. Unfortunately we have to issue some blunt 
disclaimers occasionally, along the lines of DO NOT USE FOP FOR PRODUCTION; 
if you know what you're doing you can interpret that how you want. :-)

Unfortunately what happens is that despite all the disclaimers we get 
compared to production-ready stuff. As a result, despite every statement that 
FOP is under development, people get the impression that FOP is ready for use.

I think we are exactly where we should expect to be given resources involved 
with this project. By the time FOP is ready I estimate that 2 calendar years 
will have elapsed. On average I'll bet that we haven't even come close to the 
equivalent of one (1) FT resource, current circumstances excepted. Writing an 
XSL formatter is a big deal, and if I was estimating such a project from 
scratch I'd give it 2 person-years of _effort_ easy (maybe more). So it's no 
surprise that we are where we are.

Arved Sandstrom

Fairly Senior Software Type
e-plicity (http://www.e-plicity.com)
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Wireless * B2B * J2EE * XML

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