On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 16:23, Glen Mazza wrote:
> --- John Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > My own feeling is that FOP
> > will remain
> > problematic for large documents and this will be
> > especially so in
> > server environments such as Cocoon.
> > 
> We hear you, and we do emphasize performance as one of
> our main goals [1].  As always, you may wish to add a
> Wiki page on things we're not doing that we should be
> doing in order to speed things up.  Bugzilla may also
> be a good place.  Others can comment on them that way,
> and we can refine what needs to be done.
> For me though, depending on the problem, there can be
> a "grokking delay"--I tend not to act until I fully
> understand the issues involved.  Also, I am currently
> tied up with layout issues which preclude me from
> getting too much into properties code at this time. 
> But many of the other committers/contributors have
> more thought-out opinions on how properties should be
> handled and should be able to contribute more quickly
> to your ideas.

Thanks. Sometimes Ijump on things (like a cop on a donut). 
Part of the ENTJ personality type (most engineers are ENTP
 - Perceiving vs Judgemental).

I want my focus to be on the PropertyList issue, as I feel
there are significant benefits there. I have a few miles to
go to understand the issues in PropertyList and 

I intentionally have not brought up my new observation:

When I run the same test twice with a Driver.reset(), GC and
a wait in between, heap usage the first time is TWICE
the usage of the second run.  Time taken is the same.
Just somethng to wonder about, in case we stumble on a

JMP graphic available on request.

I have learned quite a bit about running FOP (and Java) for
larger files. A year ago, I had terrible trouble running FOP
in Cocoon becasue I had only 256Mb. The same task is a breeze
in the current release.

1) Large (equal) values of -Xms and -Xmx can reduce GC and
speed execution of a task. There is documented support
for this on the Sun site.

2) Use of the Server HotSpot VM makes a bigger difference
than point (1). I have submitted a fix for 'cocoon.sh' to
select this JVM. I am sure this was an oversight at Cocoon.

3) FOP and related libraries compiled with Sun's SDK can all 
be run with the current (1.4.1) IBM SDK. The GC performance
of this IBM SDK is too ugly for words. More to thnk about.

4) You can observe Garbage Collection events with the Java option:
-verbose:gc and this works similarly on both IBM and Sun run-times.
Trace syntax is quite different but you can see times and sizes.

Given that I may have p*ss*d off some Germans (my Neandertal*
comment ;-), I shall refrain from stating that there may be
something rotten in Denmark - that might annoy Shakespeare-averse
Danes ...

* I lived on Ramstein Air Force Base for 4 years. 
Many Neandertals in my high-school at Kaiserslautern!

> Glen
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