Hi Tom, Andreas, 

> Well, it is only available in the SVN repo, so in the sense that it is not
> officially released yet, it is indeed in development. That said, some users
> consider trunk to be stable enough to use in production environments.

As far as I understood, out-of-the-ant-file Fop still uses AT, not IF, as 
default rendering path. But that reminds me, I wanted to find out how to 
activate IF and see, what happens to my publications.

> The benefits of the new IF are mainly: <...> it is better documented than the 
> Area Tree.

Well, that ain't hard. :-)

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andreas Delmelle [mailto:[email protected]] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juli 2009 17:17
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: Area Tree Handling

On 14 Jul 2009, at 16:43, TomWilcox wrote:

Hi Tom, Georg,

> I look forward to getting into the IF however I was under the 
> impression it is still very much in the development phase..

Well, it is only available in the SVN repo, so in the sense that it is not 
officially released yet, it is indeed in development. That said, some users 
consider trunk to be stable enough to use in production environments.

The benefits of the new IF are mainly: optimized parsing (faster) and it is 
better documented than the Area Tree. The Area Tree XML will probably remain 
alive for some time. In some use-cases, the new IF could lack some of the more 
detailed structure information that is preserved in the Area Tree.

It's really up to you, but we encourage to use the newer IF, since that is 
ultimately one sure way of getting feedback based on real-life scenarios. All 
we know for a fact is that our test-suite does not fail, but that is no 
guarantee whatsoever that everything is A-OK.

>> However, I would like to propose a potentially useful future feature 
>> of FOP would be the ability to do this using Java objects with a view 
>> for optimising modifications of document fragments such as a subtree 
>> of the AT through an API (as I think either yourself or Andreas 
>> mentioned earlier).

IIC, the reason we opted for XML formats in the first place, is that one does 
not really need a specialized API to perform such manipulations. Why double the 
effort if XSLT already provides you with basically everything you need?
All you'd need to do is write some stylesheet code to modify/ manipulate either 
the Area Tree XML or the IF, and use the standard JAXP pattern to apply the 
stylesheet to the intermediate XML. That is basically the same pattern that you 
already use to feed the input to FOP...

>> Any ideas where I post suggestions for FOP features?

A Bugzilla entry would be a start, but do mind the above reservations.  
I would be reluctant to introduce such a feature (and thus increase our 
maintenance overhead), for something that is fairly straightforward to achieve 
using standard JAXP and XSLT (requiring no changes to the FOP codebase, and 
still offering all the flexibility that one could desire, IMO)


Regards

Andreas

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