Hi Michael,

If it works for you it might be a valid solution - I once did setup a project 
based on fop 1.0, I never had a requirement to update... but I am not an expert 
when it comes down to customization. At least I would not send you to hell ;-)

What I also did to achieve something I was not able to solve in FO (run tables 
across double page) was to use Area Tree: the FO was built on DIN A3 master 
pages and the cut into DIN A4 in a post process... But using the hack seems 
much more plausible to me in your case?

Best,
Frank

> Am 29.11.2016 um 07:34 schrieb Michel Krämer <michel.krae...@googlemail.com>:
> 
> Frank,
> 
> Thanks for trying. It didn't work for me either. Here's an example that seems 
> to work in other renderers but not in FOP:
> http://www.herongyang.com/XSL-FO/Float-Add-xsl-before-float-Separator.html
> 
> That's why I said earlier I suspect the float-before thing is not fully 
> implemented yet. 
> 
> In the meantime I got it working with a really bad hack:
> https://github.com/michel-kraemer/fop/commit/be163d8f103568bf63629e90949a95250ca29063
> 
> My code moves any footnote containing an image to the top of the page and 
> moves the body down accordingly.
> 
> This hack is really bad however. The output "looks" exactly how I want it to 
> at least, but I'll probably go to programmer's hell for this eventually. So, 
> I'd rather like to do it right. Are there any FOP developers here on this 
> mailing list or should I post to the dev list instead?
> 
> Michel
> 
> 
>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 18:27, Frank Hirsch <frank.hir...@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, I thought there would be a way to use fo:float and of:block. I tried 
>> myself and did not succeed.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Frank
>> 
>>> Am 28.11.2016 um 17:10 schrieb Csaba Nánai <szea...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> You have right. Só in fop the flow ás its name is nőt paged. It paginating 
>>> át rendering time. You can using the sequences ás ie ms word but zhese can 
>>> be more complex. You can also playing with forced page braking before or 
>>> after a paragraph or block-container table etc.
>>> 
>>> Só you have many chamce tó do It bit you cannot put something exactly to a 
>>> nimbered page becose fop not page oriented.
>>> 
>>> Bye szeak
>>> 
>>> 2016. nov. 28. 15:44 ezt írta ("Michel Krämer" 
>>> <michel.krae...@googlemail.com>):
>>> Hi Szeak!
>>> 
>>> This works! Thank you so much.
>>> 
>>> Do I understand it correctly that I need to know in advance on which page 
>>> my figure appears? So if I need it on page 100 I will have to repeat 
>>> <fo:single-page-master-reference master-reference="content"/> 99 times?
>>> 
>>> I'm asking because I'm generating a rather large document from DocBook 
>>> using XSLT. There are many figures on different pages and I want to put 
>>> some of them to the top of their respective page. I guess there is no easy 
>>> solution for this with FOP, right?
>>> 
>>> Michel
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 14:04, Szeak (Register Man) <szea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> My solution for your need is:
>>>> 
>>>> <fo:layout-master-set>
>>>>       <fo:simple-page-master master-name="content" page-height="297mm" 
>>>> page-width="210mm" margin="0.2in">
>>>>           <fo:region-body>
>>>>           </fo:region-body>
>>>>       </fo:simple-page-master>
>>>>       <fo:simple-page-master master-name="content-with-header" 
>>>> page-height="297mm" page-width="210mm" margin="0.2in">
>>>>           <fo:region-body margin-top="2.5in"/>
>>>>           <fo:region-before extent="2.5in"/>
>>>>       </fo:simple-page-master>
>>>> 
>>>>       <fo:page-sequence-master master-name="mixed-content">
>>>>           <fo:single-page-master-reference master-reference="content"/>
>>>>           <fo:single-page-master-reference 
>>>> master-reference="content-with-header"/>
>>>>           <fo:repeatable-page-master-reference master-reference="content"/>
>>>>       </fo:page-sequence-master>
>>>>   </fo:layout-master-set>
>>>>   <fo:page-sequence master-reference="mixed-content">
>>>>       <fo:static-content flow-name="xsl-region-before">
>>>>           <fo:block font-size="11pt" font-style="italic" 
>>>> font-weight="normal" hyphenate="false" 
>>>> keep-with-previous.within-column="always" 
>>>> line-stacking-strategy="font-height" space-after.maximum="1.7em" 
>>>> space-after.minimum="1.3em" space-after.optimum="1.5em" 
>>>> space-before.maximum="0em" space-before.minimum="0em" 
>>>> space-before.optimum="0em" text-indent="0pt">
>>>>               Figure 3.1 Layers of code in a complex software architecture
>>>>           </fo:block>
>>>>           <fo:block background-color="red" id="img-layers-of-code" 
>>>> keep-together.within-column="always" text-align="center">
>>>>               <fo:block id="d69e465" text-align="center">
>>>>                   <fo:external-graphic content-height="auto" 
>>>> content-width="66%" height="auto" 
>>>> src="url(https://placeholdit.imgix.net/~text?txtsize=33&amp;txt=350%C3%97150&amp;w=350&amp;h=150&amp;fm=png)"
>>>>  width="auto">
>>>>                   </fo:external-graphic>
>>>>               </fo:block>
>>>>               <fo:block font-size="11pt" font-style="italic" 
>>>> font-weight="normal" hyphenate="false" 
>>>> keep-with-previous.within-column="always" 
>>>> line-stacking-strategy="font-height" space-after.maximum="1.7em" 
>>>> space-after.minimum="1.3em" space-after.optimum="1.5em" 
>>>> space-before.maximum="0em" space-before.minimum="0em" 
>>>> space-before.optimum="0em" text-indent="0pt">
>>>>                   Figure 1 Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
>>>>               </fo:block>
>>>>           </fo:block>
>>>>       </fo:static-content>
>>>>       <fo:flow flow-name="xsl-region-body">
>>>> 
>>>> ....  the content of body
>>>> 
>>>> Bye
>>>> 
>>>> 2016-11-28 13:18 keltezéssel, Michel Krämer írta:
>>>>>> If you want displaying the image exactly on top of the second page?
>>>>> Yes, that's what I want! :-) I want to place an image at the top of a 
>>>>> page, no matter how many paragraphs I have. I want to place it at the top 
>>>>> of the very page, where I put the image, just like you do it in latex with
>>>>> 
>>>>> begin{figure}[t!]
>>>>> …
>>>>> \end{figure}
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can help you in this.
>>>>> That's very much appreciated. Thank you so much!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michel
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 13:07, Szeak (Register Man) <szea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you want placing the image after 20. paragraph, why define it between 
>>>>>> 22. and 23?
>>>>>> Or
>>>>>> If you want displaying the image exactly on top of the second page?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So if you want displaying the image exactly on top of the second page:
>>>>>> You need to define a bit more complex page-masters as now. I can help 
>>>>>> you in this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't hesitate to answer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bye, Szeak
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2016-11-28 12:21 keltezéssel, Michel Krämer írta:
>>>>>>> Hi Szeak,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks a lot! This sounds very promising indeed. I can't get it to 
>>>>>>> work, however.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If I put <fo:flow flow-name="xsl-region-before"> inside my 
>>>>>>> page-sequence definition I get the following error:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> org.apache.fop.fo.ValidationException: For "fo:page-sequence", only one 
>>>>>>> "fo:flow" may be declared. (See position 222:48)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If I create a new page-sequence and put it there FOP will end up in an 
>>>>>>> endless loop and won't stop generating pages.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm not sure this is the right way, although it really sounds 
>>>>>>> promising. Maybe I'm just missing something. I uploaded my small 
>>>>>>> example here:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/michel-kraemer/af82f3e115afb877338a72fa34a539cf
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you render it you'll see that there is an image between paragraphs 
>>>>>>> 22 and 23. You'll also see that paragraph 20 breaks at the end of page 
>>>>>>> 1 and continues at page 2. I want to place the image at the top of page 
>>>>>>> two, so right in the middle of paragraph 20.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 11:48, Szeak (Register Man) <szea...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don't think you need any code modifing in Java.
>>>>>>>> It seems, you need a header for the page, if i understand good your 
>>>>>>>> needs..
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So for display header correctly, you need to:
>>>>>>>> 1. define an ie.: <fo:region-before extent="1in"/> in 
>>>>>>>> simple-page-master definiton
>>>>>>>>   you can define an exact name for it ie.: <fo:region-before 
>>>>>>>> region-name="myHeader" extent="1in"/>
>>>>>>>> 2. define an <fo:flow flow-name="xsl-region-before"> in page-sequence 
>>>>>>>> definition
>>>>>>>>   you can use the named definition by: <fo:flow flow-name="myHeader">
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That's it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bye, Szeak
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2016-11-25 17:11 keltezéssel, Michel Krämer írta:
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a way to place an image at the top of the page, just 
>>>>>>>>> like you can do it in LaTeX:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> \begin{figure}[t!]
>>>>>>>>>  ...
>>>>>>>>> \end{figure}
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If I understand it correctly, you should be able to do this with the 
>>>>>>>>> fo:float object:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <fo:float float="before">
>>>>>>>>>  ...
>>>>>>>>> </fo:float>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I understand that FOP does not support the "before" value yet.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Is there a workaround to achieve the same thing? For example by 
>>>>>>>>> placing the image absolutely or something like that?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I had a look at the code and it seems the feature is almost 
>>>>>>>>> implemented but not fully yet. There is a BeforeFloat class that is 
>>>>>>>>> supposed to place blocks in the before-float area, but even if I use 
>>>>>>>>> <fo:float float="before"> this class never receives any children. The 
>>>>>>>>> float also disappears from the output PDF.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If there is no workaround for my problem I would be very interested 
>>>>>>>>> to implement the solution myself. I'm a Java programmer and if anyone 
>>>>>>>>> could give me some pointers on where to start and what is missing in 
>>>>>>>>> the current code I'd probably be able to fill the gaps.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. Thank you so much!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>> 
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