> I once did setup a project based on fop 1.0, I never had a requirement to 
> update…
Thanks, Frank. I think this is what I'm going to do.

Cheers,
Michel

> On 29 Nov 2016, at 09:20, Frank Hirsch <frank.hir...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> If it works for you it might be a valid solution - I once did setup a project 
> based on fop 1.0, I never had a requirement to update... but I am not an 
> expert when it comes down to customization. At least I would not send you to 
> hell ;-)
> 
> What I also did to achieve something I was not able to solve in FO (run 
> tables across double page) was to use Area Tree: the FO was built on DIN A3 
> master pages and the cut into DIN A4 in a post process... But using the hack 
> seems much more plausible to me in your case?
> 
> Best,
> Frank
> 
>> Am 29.11.2016 um 07:34 schrieb Michel Krämer <michel.krae...@googlemail.com>:
>> 
>> Frank,
>> 
>> Thanks for trying. It didn't work for me either. Here's an example that 
>> seems to work in other renderers but not in FOP:
>> http://www.herongyang.com/XSL-FO/Float-Add-xsl-before-float-Separator.html
>> 
>> That's why I said earlier I suspect the float-before thing is not fully 
>> implemented yet. 
>> 
>> In the meantime I got it working with a really bad hack:
>> https://github.com/michel-kraemer/fop/commit/be163d8f103568bf63629e90949a95250ca29063
>> 
>> My code moves any footnote containing an image to the top of the page and 
>> moves the body down accordingly.
>> 
>> This hack is really bad however. The output "looks" exactly how I want it to 
>> at least, but I'll probably go to programmer's hell for this eventually. So, 
>> I'd rather like to do it right. Are there any FOP developers here on this 
>> mailing list or should I post to the dev list instead?
>> 
>> Michel
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 18:27, Frank Hirsch <frank.hir...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I thought there would be a way to use fo:float and of:block. I tried 
>>> myself and did not succeed.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Frank
>>> 
>>>> Am 28.11.2016 um 17:10 schrieb Csaba Nánai <szea...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>> 
>>>> You have right. Só in fop the flow ás its name is nőt paged. It paginating 
>>>> át rendering time. You can using the sequences ás ie ms word but zhese can 
>>>> be more complex. You can also playing with forced page braking before or 
>>>> after a paragraph or block-container table etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Só you have many chamce tó do It bit you cannot put something exactly to a 
>>>> nimbered page becose fop not page oriented.
>>>> 
>>>> Bye szeak
>>>> 
>>>> 2016. nov. 28. 15:44 ezt írta ("Michel Krämer" 
>>>> <michel.krae...@googlemail.com>):
>>>> Hi Szeak!
>>>> 
>>>> This works! Thank you so much.
>>>> 
>>>> Do I understand it correctly that I need to know in advance on which page 
>>>> my figure appears? So if I need it on page 100 I will have to repeat 
>>>> <fo:single-page-master-reference master-reference="content"/> 99 times?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm asking because I'm generating a rather large document from DocBook 
>>>> using XSLT. There are many figures on different pages and I want to put 
>>>> some of them to the top of their respective page. I guess there is no easy 
>>>> solution for this with FOP, right?
>>>> 
>>>> Michel
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 14:04, Szeak (Register Man) <szea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My solution for your need is:
>>>>> 
>>>>> <fo:layout-master-set>
>>>>>      <fo:simple-page-master master-name="content" page-height="297mm" 
>>>>> page-width="210mm" margin="0.2in">
>>>>>          <fo:region-body>
>>>>>          </fo:region-body>
>>>>>      </fo:simple-page-master>
>>>>>      <fo:simple-page-master master-name="content-with-header" 
>>>>> page-height="297mm" page-width="210mm" margin="0.2in">
>>>>>          <fo:region-body margin-top="2.5in"/>
>>>>>          <fo:region-before extent="2.5in"/>
>>>>>      </fo:simple-page-master>
>>>>> 
>>>>>      <fo:page-sequence-master master-name="mixed-content">
>>>>>          <fo:single-page-master-reference master-reference="content"/>
>>>>>          <fo:single-page-master-reference 
>>>>> master-reference="content-with-header"/>
>>>>>          <fo:repeatable-page-master-reference master-reference="content"/>
>>>>>      </fo:page-sequence-master>
>>>>>  </fo:layout-master-set>
>>>>>  <fo:page-sequence master-reference="mixed-content">
>>>>>      <fo:static-content flow-name="xsl-region-before">
>>>>>          <fo:block font-size="11pt" font-style="italic" 
>>>>> font-weight="normal" hyphenate="false" 
>>>>> keep-with-previous.within-column="always" 
>>>>> line-stacking-strategy="font-height" space-after.maximum="1.7em" 
>>>>> space-after.minimum="1.3em" space-after.optimum="1.5em" 
>>>>> space-before.maximum="0em" space-before.minimum="0em" 
>>>>> space-before.optimum="0em" text-indent="0pt">
>>>>>              Figure 3.1 Layers of code in a complex software architecture
>>>>>          </fo:block>
>>>>>          <fo:block background-color="red" id="img-layers-of-code" 
>>>>> keep-together.within-column="always" text-align="center">
>>>>>              <fo:block id="d69e465" text-align="center">
>>>>>                  <fo:external-graphic content-height="auto" 
>>>>> content-width="66%" height="auto" 
>>>>> src="url(https://placeholdit.imgix.net/~text?txtsize=33&amp;txt=350%C3%97150&amp;w=350&amp;h=150&amp;fm=png)"
>>>>>  width="auto">
>>>>>                  </fo:external-graphic>
>>>>>              </fo:block>
>>>>>              <fo:block font-size="11pt" font-style="italic" 
>>>>> font-weight="normal" hyphenate="false" 
>>>>> keep-with-previous.within-column="always" 
>>>>> line-stacking-strategy="font-height" space-after.maximum="1.7em" 
>>>>> space-after.minimum="1.3em" space-after.optimum="1.5em" 
>>>>> space-before.maximum="0em" space-before.minimum="0em" 
>>>>> space-before.optimum="0em" text-indent="0pt">
>>>>>                  Figure 1 Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
>>>>>              </fo:block>
>>>>>          </fo:block>
>>>>>      </fo:static-content>
>>>>>      <fo:flow flow-name="xsl-region-body">
>>>>> 
>>>>> ....  the content of body
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bye
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2016-11-28 13:18 keltezéssel, Michel Krämer írta:
>>>>>>> If you want displaying the image exactly on top of the second page?
>>>>>> Yes, that's what I want! :-) I want to place an image at the top of a 
>>>>>> page, no matter how many paragraphs I have. I want to place it at the 
>>>>>> top of the very page, where I put the image, just like you do it in 
>>>>>> latex with
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> begin{figure}[t!]
>>>>>> …
>>>>>> \end{figure}
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I can help you in this.
>>>>>> That's very much appreciated. Thank you so much!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 13:07, Szeak (Register Man) <szea...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you want placing the image after 20. paragraph, why define it 
>>>>>>> between 22. and 23?
>>>>>>> Or
>>>>>>> If you want displaying the image exactly on top of the second page?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So if you want displaying the image exactly on top of the second page:
>>>>>>> You need to define a bit more complex page-masters as now. I can help 
>>>>>>> you in this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Don't hesitate to answer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bye, Szeak
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2016-11-28 12:21 keltezéssel, Michel Krämer írta:
>>>>>>>> Hi Szeak,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot! This sounds very promising indeed. I can't get it to 
>>>>>>>> work, however.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If I put <fo:flow flow-name="xsl-region-before"> inside my 
>>>>>>>> page-sequence definition I get the following error:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> org.apache.fop.fo.ValidationException: For "fo:page-sequence", only 
>>>>>>>> one "fo:flow" may be declared. (See position 222:48)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If I create a new page-sequence and put it there FOP will end up in an 
>>>>>>>> endless loop and won't stop generating pages.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure this is the right way, although it really sounds 
>>>>>>>> promising. Maybe I'm just missing something. I uploaded my small 
>>>>>>>> example here:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/michel-kraemer/af82f3e115afb877338a72fa34a539cf
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you render it you'll see that there is an image between paragraphs 
>>>>>>>> 22 and 23. You'll also see that paragraph 20 breaks at the end of page 
>>>>>>>> 1 and continues at page 2. I want to place the image at the top of 
>>>>>>>> page two, so right in the middle of paragraph 20.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 11:48, Szeak (Register Man) <szea...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I don't think you need any code modifing in Java.
>>>>>>>>> It seems, you need a header for the page, if i understand good your 
>>>>>>>>> needs..
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So for display header correctly, you need to:
>>>>>>>>> 1. define an ie.: <fo:region-before extent="1in"/> in 
>>>>>>>>> simple-page-master definiton
>>>>>>>>>  you can define an exact name for it ie.: <fo:region-before 
>>>>>>>>> region-name="myHeader" extent="1in"/>
>>>>>>>>> 2. define an <fo:flow flow-name="xsl-region-before"> in page-sequence 
>>>>>>>>> definition
>>>>>>>>>  you can use the named definition by: <fo:flow flow-name="myHeader">
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That's it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bye, Szeak
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2016-11-25 17:11 keltezéssel, Michel Krämer írta:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a way to place an image at the top of the page, just 
>>>>>>>>>> like you can do it in LaTeX:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> \begin{figure}[t!]
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> \end{figure}
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If I understand it correctly, you should be able to do this with the 
>>>>>>>>>> fo:float object:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> <fo:float float="before">
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> </fo:float>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I understand that FOP does not support the "before" value yet.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Is there a workaround to achieve the same thing? For example by 
>>>>>>>>>> placing the image absolutely or something like that?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I had a look at the code and it seems the feature is almost 
>>>>>>>>>> implemented but not fully yet. There is a BeforeFloat class that is 
>>>>>>>>>> supposed to place blocks in the before-float area, but even if I use 
>>>>>>>>>> <fo:float float="before"> this class never receives any children. 
>>>>>>>>>> The float also disappears from the output PDF.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If there is no workaround for my problem I would be very interested 
>>>>>>>>>> to implement the solution myself. I'm a Java programmer and if 
>>>>>>>>>> anyone could give me some pointers on where to start and what is 
>>>>>>>>>> missing in the current code I'd probably be able to fill the gaps.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. Thank you so much!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>> 
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