I must say I like your idea. just wondering if we have enough fund or not. to hire is a good idea but because we will be paying for staff regularly, we need sustainable fund sources. for registration renewal we may some volunteer for from pocket.
so let's not spend time much but do the renewal ASAP. then by that time we can figure other things out. Hempal dai, Dadhiram dai or me us Subir dai one of them must have the file including everything. as we were involved in renewal. please reach out to them as I do not have any documents. Good Luck Prabin On Mar 18, 2015 6:46 AM, "Nootan Ghimire" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks prabin dai for the reply, > > I had/have similar solutions, and I would like to expand on some of yours. > > > First of all, our community which is registered to government of Nepal > must be renewed till now. It will need some human hours, effort and money. > > For this to happen, we need to know who holds the current documents, and > we will need some guidance on how to do that*. Once someone from *current > executive member* (And we also have no idea about the persons in executive > member list) gives further info, I think there are enough volunteers in the > community to spend some hours and efforts. (If no one shows up, I take the > responsibility). * > > Regarding money, If FOSS Nepal has some funds with it, then lets please > use it to renew the legal body. If not, then we first need to define how to > gather some money, at least the amount needed to renew the organization. We > proceed to renew only after we have money. If this is the case, maybe we > need to open up another discussion on how to gather initial fund. > > > Second, formation of a new team under the same constitution(Bidhan). > prepare some ground rules. Ask firm commitment. > > I would suggest not to include anyone who cannot commit atleast 48 (12 > hrs a week) hours in a month > > > The idea that drove me to write this discussion on the first place > actually was hempal dai's suggestion that "money is not a problem". After > the renewal of the organization, I propose that we *hire* (as in: give > monthly salary) people and form a team. > > Till Now the community structure looks like this: > > EXECUTIVE MEMBERS (PASSIONATE PAST FOSSians, FOSSians with Reasonable > Contributions) > > THE ORGANIZATION TEAM HIERARCHY (ALL_TEAM_LEADS_MANAGER -> TEAM_LEADS -> > MINIMUM_BUT_REQUIRED_AMOUNT_OF_OTHER_EMPLOYEES) > > The organization team hierarchy might have members from executive members, > or might not. > > Those two members list will be something like "GENERAL BODY", or kind of a > "elite" group for FOSS Nepal Community. > > The teams could be of wide variety. > > FOSS Nepal Community is a open community, so anyone will be able to join > the community and volunteer for it. We define criteria of > volunteering/contribution areas. Also, we ask for new ideas for > contribution and take ahead the community as we always have. We document > all the contributions using things like wiki, websites (Another thread for > this is also required) and then using those information, we decide if a > member is ready to be in EXECUTIVE MEMBERS' team or not. > > Everything should be transparent to general public. And *every* details > should be accessible by "elite" group. > > Since, the organization team were hired and they get (even if a bit less) > monthly salary, we can/should *force* them to do the duty. > > > Just adding some more bits, please suggest edits, > Nootan > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:18 AM, ओपन ठिटो <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Nootan, >> You have brought up one of the most important and unresolved issue. >> As we all are aware that FOSS Nepal Community is a true community but due >> to some legal requirements we are also registered as Not-for-profit >> Organization. We have never given much importance to that legal part >> because it was not our intention but a formality for existence. >> >> Due to the presence of maximum once-active-but-not-active members in the >> executive member list of that organization structure, our same community >> has not been renewed with the Government for some years now. I tried to >> renew with help from dadhi dai and hempal dai earlier this year and spent >> lot of time but it was in Aashad and simply they do not renew... :( >> >> >> I do not want to pinpoint the problems but let me jump into solutions. If >> i have to give solution to problem. These are the first 4 steps. >> >> First of all, our community which is registered to government of Nepal >> must be renewed till now. It will need some human hours, effort and money. >> >> Second, formation of a new team under the same constitution(Bidhan). >> prepare some ground rules. Ask firm commitment. >> I would suggest not to include anyone who cannot commit atleast 48 (12 >> hrs a week) hours in a month. >> >> Third give each member of team one responsibility: like office, fund, >> event, college coordination, FKK, Mentorship/intern, social media, >> marketing, Training, deployment, support... which can be identified later >> >> Fourthly, revive all regular events and meetups. Hold biweekly or monthly >> general meeting. >> >> >> Then we can look for ways to make the community sustainable and take >> towards attaining the goal and vision. >> >> My few bits. >> Best wishes. >> Prabin. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:39 AM, suraj bohara <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I agree with Nootan Ghimire >>> >>> Regards, >>> Suraj >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 1:46:40 PM UTC-4, nootan.ghimire wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> >>>> *TL;DR:Do we think creating an official organization such that (at >>>> least) one person overseeing the happenings at FOSS Nepal will help FOSS >>>> Nepal do (quality) stuffs? * >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> As a (newer) volunteer to FOSS Nepal community, I've recently been >>>> volunteering in the community specially on the side of increasing >>>> participation from college communities. I was introduced to FOSS Nepal >>>> community when I first joined my engineering, ~3 years back, and since then >>>> I've been trying to participate in the community as my skills allow me to. >>>> >>>> I started with organizing simple event to aware students of my college >>>> of Foss Nepal, Wikipedia and Software Freedom Day. >>>> >>>> I suppose I also have participated in other community activities which >>>> might (or might not) have helped the community go further ahead. >>>> >>>> I should also thank the community for different dimensions it has >>>> opened me to, and different connections it has made possible. >>>> >>>> But these recent years, as I've started to know more and more things >>>> about the community, it feels that the community itself is not as strong as >>>> it (apparently) used to be before (i joined). Of course there are wonderful >>>> volunteers around with whom i feel joy to be around with, but there's >>>> something else that I've been (a bit) bothered with. >>>> >>>> With these 3 years of volunteering, I now think that I never had known >>>> what goals were we trying to achieve from FOSS Nepal Community. I had >>>> knowledge that FOSS Nepal does SFD every year, and it is like a umbrella to >>>> other communities that we had in Nepal (viz. Php Developers Nepal, Mozilla >>>> Nepal, etc..). I did not care about that then, because I was driven by the >>>> passion in open source and I was ready to participate and learn. I was more >>>> of a *audience *to FOSS Nepal, rather than a *volunteer.* >>>> >>>> As I today had talk with Hempal Dai, a respected and valuable member of >>>> FOSS Nepal Community, I should say: I was able to grasp the goals and >>>> objectives that FOSS Nepal Community is/was trying to achieve. Not only >>>> this made my honor to FOSS Nepal greater, I was more than happy that I >>>> joined the right community. But the problem, as we discussed was that there >>>> were no resources to make sure we meet to our goals. *There was no >>>> structure, no body, which urged newbies to follow a path.* >>>> >>>> FOSS Nepal is a community, and i know that a community works by >>>> treating every member of it equal. But I think *this does not mean >>>> that a single community-chosen person cannot instruct fellow volunteers to >>>> do stuffs that were well-planned and served a long-term goal.* I feel >>>> that, there should be a well defined structure, a legal entity, if required >>>> which will do stuffs according to goals and objectives of FOSS Nepal >>>> community. >>>> >>>> As discussed today, given ample human resources, we can apply and get >>>> grants which would enable us to pay those people who take the >>>> responsibility of community -- which might not be voluntary. >>>> >>>> I went through foss nepal wiki before writing this email and found some >>>> interesting facts. Supposedly, These things were thought a long time ago: >>>> hence the links below: >>>> >>>> http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Constitution#. >>>> E0.A5.A9.E0.A5.AB._.E0.A4.B9.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.AE.E0.A5.80_. >>>> E0.A4.A8.E0.A4.BF.E0.A4.AE.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A8_.E0.A4.B8.E0. >>>> A4.82.E0.A4.B8.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A5.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.AA.E0.A4.95_ >>>> .E0.A4.B8.E0.A4.A6.E0.A4.B8.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.AF.E0.A4.B9.E0. >>>> A4.B0.E0.A5.81_.E0.A4.AF.E0.A4.B8_.E0.A4.B5.E0.A4.BF.E0. >>>> A4.A7.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.A8_.E0.A4.AC.E0.A4.AE.E0.A5.8B.E0.A4. >>>> 9C.E0.A4.BF.E0.A4.AE_.E0.A4.95.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.B0.E0.A5.8D. >>>> E0.A4.AF_.E0.A4.97.E0.A4.B0.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A8_.E0.A4.AE. >>>> E0.A4.9E.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.9C.E0.A5.81.E0.A4.B0_.E0.A4.AD.E0. >>>> A4.88_.E0.A4.A8.E0.A4.BF.E0.A4.AE.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A8_.E0. >>>> A4.B8.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.95.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.B7.E0.A5.80.E0.A4.95. >>>> E0.A5.8B_.E0.A4.B0.E0.A5.8B.E0.A4.B9.E0.A4.B5.E0.A4.B0.E0. >>>> A4.AE.E0.A4.BE_.E0.A4.B5.E0.A4.BF.E0.A4.A7.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4. >>>> A8.E0.A4.AE.E0.A4.BE_.E0.A4.B8.E0.A4.B9.E0.A5.80.E0.A4.9B. >>>> E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.AA_.E0.A4.97.E0.A4.B0.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A6.E0. >>>> A4.9B.E0.A5.8C.E0.A4.82.E0.A5.A4 >>>> >>>> http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#General_Meetings >>>> (See General Meetings) >>>> >>>> So, I Just wanted to know the view of the community members about this. >>>> Do we think creating an official organization such that (at least) one >>>> person overseeing the happenings at FOSS Nepal will help FOSS Nepal do >>>> (quality) stuffs? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nootan Ghimire >>>> http://cafecod.es/ >>>> [email protected] >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> FOSS Nepal mailing list: [email protected] >>> http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >>> Mailing List Guidelines: >>> http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Mailing_List_Guidelines >>> Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "FOSS Nepal" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> -- >> FOSS Nepal mailing list: [email protected] >> http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> Mailing List Guidelines: >> http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Mailing_List_Guidelines >> Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "FOSS Nepal" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Nootan Ghimire > http://cafecod.es/ > [email protected] > [email protected] > > -- > -- > FOSS Nepal mailing list: [email protected] > http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > Mailing List Guidelines: > http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Mailing_List_Guidelines > Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "FOSS Nepal" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- FOSS Nepal mailing list: [email protected] http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] Mailing List Guidelines: http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Mailing_List_Guidelines Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FOSS Nepal" group. 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