Hello Guys, Sorry It looked like I was inactive. Some of us are working to gather the documents. I've my exams from now on, So I'll resume this endeavor after a month. Meanwhile, If anyone's free to help, it would be awesome!
Thanks, Nootan On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Prabin Gautam <[email protected]> wrote: > I must say I like your idea. just wondering if we have enough fund or > not. to hire is a good idea but because we will be paying for staff > regularly, we need sustainable fund sources. for registration renewal we > may some volunteer for from pocket. > > so let's not spend time much but do the renewal ASAP. then by that time we > can figure other things out. > > Hempal dai, Dadhiram dai or me us Subir dai one of them must have the > file including everything. as we were involved in renewal. please reach out > to them as I do not have any documents. > > Good Luck > Prabin > On Mar 18, 2015 6:46 AM, "Nootan Ghimire" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks prabin dai for the reply, >> >> I had/have similar solutions, and I would like to expand on some of >> yours. >> >> > First of all, our community which is registered to government of Nepal >> must be renewed till now. It will need some human hours, effort and money. >> >> For this to happen, we need to know who holds the current documents, and >> we will need some guidance on how to do that*. Once someone from >> *current executive member* (And we also have no idea about the persons in >> executive member list) gives further info, I think there are enough >> volunteers in the community to spend some hours and efforts. (If no one >> shows up, I take the responsibility). * >> >> Regarding money, If FOSS Nepal has some funds with it, then lets please >> use it to renew the legal body. If not, then we first need to define how to >> gather some money, at least the amount needed to renew the organization. We >> proceed to renew only after we have money. If this is the case, maybe we >> need to open up another discussion on how to gather initial fund. >> >> > Second, formation of a new team under the same constitution(Bidhan). >> prepare some ground rules. Ask firm commitment. >> > I would suggest not to include anyone who cannot commit atleast 48 (12 >> hrs a week) hours in a month >> >> >> The idea that drove me to write this discussion on the first place >> actually was hempal dai's suggestion that "money is not a problem". After >> the renewal of the organization, I propose that we *hire* (as in: give >> monthly salary) people and form a team. >> >> Till Now the community structure looks like this: >> >> EXECUTIVE MEMBERS (PASSIONATE PAST FOSSians, FOSSians with Reasonable >> Contributions) >> >> THE ORGANIZATION TEAM HIERARCHY (ALL_TEAM_LEADS_MANAGER -> TEAM_LEADS -> >> MINIMUM_BUT_REQUIRED_AMOUNT_OF_OTHER_EMPLOYEES) >> >> The organization team hierarchy might have members from executive >> members, or might not. >> >> Those two members list will be something like "GENERAL BODY", or kind of >> a "elite" group for FOSS Nepal Community. >> >> The teams could be of wide variety. >> >> FOSS Nepal Community is a open community, so anyone will be able to join >> the community and volunteer for it. We define criteria of >> volunteering/contribution areas. Also, we ask for new ideas for >> contribution and take ahead the community as we always have. We document >> all the contributions using things like wiki, websites (Another thread for >> this is also required) and then using those information, we decide if a >> member is ready to be in EXECUTIVE MEMBERS' team or not. >> >> Everything should be transparent to general public. And *every* details >> should be accessible by "elite" group. >> >> Since, the organization team were hired and they get (even if a bit >> less) monthly salary, we can/should *force* them to do the duty. >> >> >> Just adding some more bits, please suggest edits, >> Nootan >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:18 AM, ओपन ठिटो <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Nootan, >>> You have brought up one of the most important and unresolved issue. >>> As we all are aware that FOSS Nepal Community is a true community but >>> due to some legal requirements we are also registered as Not-for-profit >>> Organization. We have never given much importance to that legal part >>> because it was not our intention but a formality for existence. >>> >>> Due to the presence of maximum once-active-but-not-active members in the >>> executive member list of that organization structure, our same community >>> has not been renewed with the Government for some years now. I tried to >>> renew with help from dadhi dai and hempal dai earlier this year and spent >>> lot of time but it was in Aashad and simply they do not renew... :( >>> >>> >>> I do not want to pinpoint the problems but let me jump into solutions. >>> If i have to give solution to problem. These are the first 4 steps. >>> >>> First of all, our community which is registered to government of Nepal >>> must be renewed till now. It will need some human hours, effort and money. >>> >>> Second, formation of a new team under the same constitution(Bidhan). >>> prepare some ground rules. Ask firm commitment. >>> I would suggest not to include anyone who cannot commit atleast 48 (12 >>> hrs a week) hours in a month. >>> >>> Third give each member of team one responsibility: like office, fund, >>> event, college coordination, FKK, Mentorship/intern, social media, >>> marketing, Training, deployment, support... which can be identified later >>> >>> Fourthly, revive all regular events and meetups. Hold biweekly or >>> monthly general meeting. >>> >>> >>> Then we can look for ways to make the community sustainable and take >>> towards attaining the goal and vision. >>> >>> My few bits. >>> Best wishes. >>> Prabin. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:39 AM, suraj bohara <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I agree with Nootan Ghimire >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Suraj >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 1:46:40 PM UTC-4, nootan.ghimire wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *TL;DR:Do we think creating an official organization such that (at >>>>> least) one person overseeing the happenings at FOSS Nepal will help FOSS >>>>> Nepal do (quality) stuffs? * >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As a (newer) volunteer to FOSS Nepal community, I've recently been >>>>> volunteering in the community specially on the side of increasing >>>>> participation from college communities. I was introduced to FOSS Nepal >>>>> community when I first joined my engineering, ~3 years back, and since >>>>> then >>>>> I've been trying to participate in the community as my skills allow me to. >>>>> >>>>> I started with organizing simple event to aware students of my college >>>>> of Foss Nepal, Wikipedia and Software Freedom Day. >>>>> >>>>> I suppose I also have participated in other community activities which >>>>> might (or might not) have helped the community go further ahead. >>>>> >>>>> I should also thank the community for different dimensions it has >>>>> opened me to, and different connections it has made possible. >>>>> >>>>> But these recent years, as I've started to know more and more things >>>>> about the community, it feels that the community itself is not as strong >>>>> as >>>>> it (apparently) used to be before (i joined). Of course there are >>>>> wonderful >>>>> volunteers around with whom i feel joy to be around with, but there's >>>>> something else that I've been (a bit) bothered with. >>>>> >>>>> With these 3 years of volunteering, I now think that I never had known >>>>> what goals were we trying to achieve from FOSS Nepal Community. I had >>>>> knowledge that FOSS Nepal does SFD every year, and it is like a umbrella >>>>> to >>>>> other communities that we had in Nepal (viz. Php Developers Nepal, Mozilla >>>>> Nepal, etc..). I did not care about that then, because I was driven by >>>>> the >>>>> passion in open source and I was ready to participate and learn. I was >>>>> more >>>>> of a *audience *to FOSS Nepal, rather than a *volunteer.* >>>>> >>>>> As I today had talk with Hempal Dai, a respected and valuable member >>>>> of FOSS Nepal Community, I should say: I was able to grasp the goals and >>>>> objectives that FOSS Nepal Community is/was trying to achieve. Not only >>>>> this made my honor to FOSS Nepal greater, I was more than happy that I >>>>> joined the right community. But the problem, as we discussed was that >>>>> there >>>>> were no resources to make sure we meet to our goals. *There was no >>>>> structure, no body, which urged newbies to follow a path.* >>>>> >>>>> FOSS Nepal is a community, and i know that a community works by >>>>> treating every member of it equal. But I think *this does not mean >>>>> that a single community-chosen person cannot instruct fellow volunteers to >>>>> do stuffs that were well-planned and served a long-term goal.* I feel >>>>> that, there should be a well defined structure, a legal entity, if >>>>> required >>>>> which will do stuffs according to goals and objectives of FOSS Nepal >>>>> community. >>>>> >>>>> As discussed today, given ample human resources, we can apply and get >>>>> grants which would enable us to pay those people who take the >>>>> responsibility of community -- which might not be voluntary. >>>>> >>>>> I went through foss nepal wiki before writing this email and found >>>>> some interesting facts. Supposedly, These things were thought a long time >>>>> ago: hence the links below: >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Constitution#. >>>>> E0.A5.A9.E0.A5.AB._.E0.A4.B9.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.AE.E0.A5.80_. >>>>> E0.A4.A8.E0.A4.BF.E0.A4.AE.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A8_.E0.A4.B8.E0. >>>>> A4.82.E0.A4.B8.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A5.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.AA.E0.A4.95_ >>>>> .E0.A4.B8.E0.A4.A6.E0.A4.B8.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.AF.E0.A4.B9.E0. >>>>> A4.B0.E0.A5.81_.E0.A4.AF.E0.A4.B8_.E0.A4.B5.E0.A4.BF.E0. >>>>> A4.A7.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.A8_.E0.A4.AC.E0.A4.AE.E0.A5.8B.E0.A4. >>>>> 9C.E0.A4.BF.E0.A4.AE_.E0.A4.95.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.B0.E0.A5.8D. >>>>> E0.A4.AF_.E0.A4.97.E0.A4.B0.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A8_.E0.A4.AE. >>>>> E0.A4.9E.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.9C.E0.A5.81.E0.A4.B0_.E0.A4.AD.E0. >>>>> A4.88_.E0.A4.A8.E0.A4.BF.E0.A4.AE.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A8_.E0. >>>>> A4.B8.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.95.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.B7.E0.A5.80.E0.A4.95. >>>>> E0.A5.8B_.E0.A4.B0.E0.A5.8B.E0.A4.B9.E0.A4.B5.E0.A4.B0.E0. >>>>> A4.AE.E0.A4.BE_.E0.A4.B5.E0.A4.BF.E0.A4.A7.E0.A4.BE.E0.A4. >>>>> A8.E0.A4.AE.E0.A4.BE_.E0.A4.B8.E0.A4.B9.E0.A5.80.E0.A4.9B. >>>>> E0.A4.BE.E0.A4.AA_.E0.A4.97.E0.A4.B0.E0.A5.8D.E0.A4.A6.E0. >>>>> A4.9B.E0.A5.8C.E0.A4.82.E0.A5.A4 >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#General_Meetings >>>>> (See General Meetings) >>>>> >>>>> So, I Just wanted to know the view of the community members about >>>>> this. Do we think creating an official organization such that (at least) >>>>> one person overseeing the happenings at FOSS Nepal will help FOSS Nepal >>>>> do >>>>> (quality) stuffs? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Nootan Ghimire >>>>> http://cafecod.es/ >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> FOSS Nepal mailing list: [email protected] >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Mailing List Guidelines: >>>> http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Mailing_List_Guidelines >>>> Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "FOSS Nepal" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> FOSS Nepal mailing list: [email protected] >>> http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >>> Mailing List Guidelines: >>> http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Mailing_List_Guidelines >>> Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "FOSS Nepal" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nootan Ghimire >> http://cafecod.es/ >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> >> -- >> -- >> FOSS Nepal mailing list: [email protected] >> http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> Mailing List Guidelines: >> http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Mailing_List_Guidelines >> Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "FOSS Nepal" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > -- > FOSS Nepal mailing list: [email protected] > http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > Mailing List Guidelines: > http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Mailing_List_Guidelines > Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "FOSS Nepal" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Nootan Ghimire http://cafecod.es/ [email protected] [email protected] -- -- FOSS Nepal mailing list: [email protected] http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] Mailing List Guidelines: http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Mailing_List_Guidelines Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FOSS Nepal" group. 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