On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 18:06, Sue Gardner <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1 March 2011 15:54, SlimVirgin <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 16:41, Pronoein <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit : > >> > On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote: > >> >> If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of > the > >> >> reasons that volunteers are leaving the boat. > >> > Based on the one survey of former contributors that has been conducted > >> > (see > >> > http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Former_Contributors_Survey_Results > ), > >> > this doesn't figure highly enough to demonstrate the kind of > significant > >> > minority you suggest. Rather, the concerns of those surveyed are > >> > overwhelmingly about how rulebound, overly complex, and unfriendly > their > >> > work in the community seemed to be. Perhaps somebody would care to go > >> > back through the full survey responses and see if they can identify > >> > comments that fit the "I was being exploited" line you're pushing > here. > >> > >> Michael, I wouldn't underestimate the "I'm being exploited" feeling for > > people either leaving, or failing to join up. In Wikipedia's early years, > we > > were exploiting ourselves, as it were. But the more of a corporate > structure > > the Foundation assumes, the greater the sense that we're working for > > something in which we have no input. There will be a tipping point that > > differs for each individual, and they may not even express it in those > > terms. > > Ah, Sarah, I don't think that's particularly fair. Bear in mind we've > just published a strategic plan that 1,000+ Wikimedians helped create. > I'm not denying that some Wikimedians may feel alienated from the > Wikimedia Foundation: I'm sure it is true for some. But "something in > which we have no input" is, IMO, not a fair characterization. > > Thanks, > Sue > > I accept that, Sue, but it's a matter of perception. I can see a lot of effort on the Foundation's part to reach out to new communities, but a similar "in-reach" program to keep current editors feeling invested would help a lot. Every time one of these new jobs is announced it does add to the feeling (rightly or wrongly) of corporate expansion that we're not part of. Sarah _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
