On 6 June 2014 07:38, Fabiano Fidêncio <fabi...@fidencio.org> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:20 A >> >> 3) Check if the values spent are okay >> > >> > Here I am unsure what you are asking for. I published summaries in the >> > past regarding to GUADEC, for example (Sorry for my English, it was >> > rustier than now): >> > >> > http://calcifer.org/notes/2009/05/status-of-guadecs-sponsorship-requests.html >> > >> > http://calcifer.org/notes/2010/04/guadec-status-of-travel-sponsorship-requests.html >> >> Also at: >> http://blogs.gnome.org/kittykat/2013/06/07/sponsorships-for-guadec-2013/ > > Thanks for the link, Ekaterina! > >> > If you are asking for details of how much we have sponsored per every >> > individual, it was decided at the very beginning to keep that >> > information private. It was also part of the announcement (see the >> > links below): >> > >> > "Any information you send the TC will be private" >> > >> > If we provide the names and numbers, there will be missing contextual >> > information to explain some things. And this could refrain people of >> > requesting sponsorship. So, there is a trade-off between transparency >> > and privacy. >> > >> > And this is mostly the case for GUADEC and GNOME.Asia. For hackfests, >> > you still have the wiki page that has that information. Something that >> > might change once we start having a fixed amount for the hackfests >> > altogether. >> > >> >> Although I'm not the one who would like to dig into these data, I'd >> >> feel >> >> really more comfortable knowing that I can do this, if I'd like to. >> >> Does it make sense? Am I asking too much? >> > >> >> Please, as I told before, I'm kind-of new here. So, If this discussion >> >> already happened in the past, please, point me some links and I'll be >> >> happy >> >> reading them and trying to understand why this process is not >> >> transparent >> >> for all the Foundation members. (Seriously, I'm not trying to put my >> >> finger >> >> in anyone's face about how the money is or should be spend. Just would >> >> love >> >> to understand how the process works) >> > >> > The Travel Committee was proposed and discussed in 2009. You can see the >> > original proposal in the following link: >> > >> > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-February/msg00007.html >> > >> > This was lengthly discussed, see for example the archives of February >> > 2009: >> > >> > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-February/thread.html >> > >> > And you can see a follow-up on March on a related topic ("Sponsoring >> > hackfests"): >> > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-March/thread.html >> > >> > And the announcement in April: >> > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-April/msg00012.html >> > >> >> With my thoughts and my doubts, yesterday I approached the Treasurer >> >> (who >> >> is also member of the Travel Committee) and asked her about those >> >> things >> >> and I'd like to share my disappointment with the answers. >> >> [comments deleted] >> >> After that, I was told to raise it with the Foundation, and that's the >> >> motivation for my email :-) >> >> There is indeed lack of context here. You strongly implied that the >> board and the travel-committee was corrupt, which is an opinion that >> you have every right to hold. If you do truly think that this is the >> case, then it is my opinion that you should indeed raise the matter >> with the membership rather than keeping quiet. > > Wait a bit. Asking for information means that I imply that board and > travel-committee is corrupt? > If yes, sorry the Board, sorry Travel Committee. I've noticed that I think > both of you are corrupt!
No, you said "from the place where I come from obscurity helps with a lot of bad things". I try to assume that people mean well, but I find it very difficult to read anything positive from that statement. > Come on, Ekaterina. We know that everyone is equal for GNOME Foundation and > we know we had problems about decisions being taken differently for the same > situation and different people. Is it corruption? I don't think so. > What I do think so is that having every detail opened would help people to > understand this kind of situation without have to argue with you and hear > those kind of answers. If anyone holds my personal information which I gave under the belief that it would not be shared, then I should hope that they would fight to keep my information private, regardless of who was asking for it (government, a company or another individual). >> Regarding the travel committee issues and taking quotes out of >> context, I would prefer to be clear on the matter: >> >> You asked me where the amounts of sponsorship were recorded, I >> responded by saying on hackfest pages and in board minutes. >> >> You asked me for exact amounts that every individual has been >> sponsored for, I responded by explaining that you can make an educated >> estimate from the above two resources. >> >> You asked me why the exact amounts of sponsorship for each individual >> are not published, I explained that one of the reasons is that they >> would make little sense without context and context is not ours to >> publish. I also assured you that they are recorded properly, as that >> seemed to be of concern to you, and the board also has access to them >> in case the board ever wants to audit them. >> >> I believe you when you say that you have no agenda, but you have yet >> to give me a good reason for telling the world (you were asking me in >> a public IRC channel) on which service to try guessing a travel >> committee member's password > > Come on. Asking where are those info is "try guessing a travel committee > member's password"? > Now I'm really surprised, again! Please read what I wrote again, I did not accuse you of anything. My point is to highlight that revealing where the information is stored makes that information less secure. >> and where to look for sponsorship details which, as Germán pointed out, >> the travel committee does promise to >> keep private. > > You could have answered this, right? But you took the non-polite way. I still prefer to not answer this question as you have still not given a good reason to do so. We aim to keep the information within the Foundation and to that effect use only Foundation infrastructure. > Best Regards, > -- > Fabiano Fidêncio _______________________________________________ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
