That's not my experience, Craig.

This isn't the only frame key shortcut that has to be timed.

For example, if I want to apply a style, I press F9

I then need to wait for the list of styles to be displayed. Once it is up, I 
can type the name of the style to select it. If I type too fast - some 
keystrokes seem to go astray. If I type too slowly, Frame thinks I'm starting a 
different style with each letter.

Maybe I need a faster  PC.

From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 19 September 2013 06:13
To: Alastair Dent; 'Framer's List'
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

There is no timing to it. Press Esc; let it go; press m; let it go; press p; 
let it go. These are not keys pressed in combination but in sequence and you 
can count to 10 between the keystrokes if you want to. Works every time. It's 
the shrink-wrap function. Great for making sure you have the entire graphic 
showing in an anchored frame.

Remember: Don't press the keys at the same time; it's one after the other.

Craig

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:39 AM
To: Fred Ridder; Reng, Dr. Winfried; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.

I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems for 
some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely crucial.

Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only 
came in with Frame 11.

When I have received off-list responses, I've often responded to the list, not 
directly to the sender. Not all of my responses to the list are coming up on 
the list, and some are taking as long as 3 days to appear.

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 September 2013 03:42
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions.

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder
> From: alastair.d...@imgtec.com<mailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com>
> To: wr...@tycoint.com<mailto:wr...@tycoint.com>; 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +0000
>
> Winfried, I could kiss you.
>
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
> too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
> insertion point.
>
> Do we have gold star awards for framers?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
>  [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
> Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Hi Alastair,
>
> I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
> Of course this depends always on your audience ...
>
> Why don't you do it this way?
> Copy the new icon.
> Place the cursor where you want it to have.
> Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
> Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
> icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
> these keys one after the other.
>
> If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
> frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
> Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
> Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
>
> Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
> After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
> >  [mailto:framers-
> > boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:boun...@lists.frameusers.com>] On 
> > Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> > To: Robert Lauriston
> > Cc: David Creamer; 
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> >
> > I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
> >
> > The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame
> > doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
> > doesn't replace it.
> > Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the
> > centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
> >
> > Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for
> > the end user.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com> 
> > [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com]
> > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> > Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> > To: Alastair Dent
> > Cc: David Creamer; 
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
> >
> > Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult,
> > they're usually all in one directory.
> >
> > Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file
> > create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you 
> > want them.
> > Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon
> > bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
> >
> > I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote
> > a FrameScript macro.
> >
> > To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip 
> > text.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent
> > <alastair.d...@imgtec.com<mailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com>>
> > wrote:
> > > I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
> > buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button
> > icons from the entire product and convert them would be a huge job.
>
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