I welcome most of the side-threads, although people could push labeling them
with an OT in the subject line a bit more.

So I'd also vote for no changes required, at the moment.

I'm among the group of people who have figured out how the Delete key works,
as well as making use of Gmail's "Mute" command -- a wonderful thing.

Art

Art Campbell
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Kelly McDaniel <kmcdaniel at 
pavtech.com>wrote:

> I fear mine may have been the initial post that started the green
> discussion. For that, please accept my apology.
>
> The question I asked, though not directly related to FrameMaker, was
> more in the venue of how PDFs were used without any green subtext. The
> point of the issue is that I am attempting to move a PDF-only corporate
> habit into an online delivery paradigm. To that end, I received many
> off-list responses from folks I consider to be tops in the field. For
> that, I am grateful...regards, Kelly.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
> Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:20 AM
> To: Howard Rauch
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Off List
>
> Howard,
>
> I agree: this is a quality list. :-)
>
> This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
> technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always
> be the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly
> because of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the
> main questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A
> subquestion could be about the "greens" as you call it. Discussion of
> that can be helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put
> on the single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a
> valid question on this list.
>
> I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
> been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
> lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
> "allowable" on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.
>
> There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
> totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have
> been dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.
>
> Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)
>
> And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
> point for the list to discuss:
> "What does and should the list stand for?"
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>
> 2009/1/25 Howard Rauch <techtransfer at sbcglobal.net>:
> > One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered
> important was that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker
> whether for solving problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to
> other lists and discontinued them because so many of the participants
> were pushing their own personal agendas (I call them "whiners") as
> opposed to the purpose of the list.
> >
> > I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda
> as of late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The
> questionnaire about printing user manuals itself promoted neither
> agenda, but (1) it has promoted a good deal of controversial responses
> on both sides of the green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker
> issue.
> >
> > My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker
> list, let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with
> personal issues.
> >
> > Howard Rauch
> >
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