Now tell us how you really feel.
Just kidding.  I wouldn't be surprised if what you say is true.  I  
dropped out long ago to grow my own veges in the country.

Myron Ort

On Aug 29, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Aaron F. Ross wrote:

> The avant-garde film scene in this town has
> really degenerated in the last ten years. I took
> a break for a while to work on other things, and
> when I came back I found that the scene I knew
> and loved had fallen on hard times.
> I can't recommend San Francisco as a place to
> find new and exciting avant-garde motion picture
> events. The venues Steve mentioned seem to be
> stuck in the 60's. I have nothing against
> structuralism, etc. per se, but frankly I see a
> lack of imagination and an inability to embrace
> new methods. This is an ill omen.
> Don't come here expecting a vibrant community.
> It's stodgy, eccentric, self-absorbed, insular,
> and profoundly unimaginative. The old guard have
> no mojo left in them, and the young people are
> too busy fluffing their Burning Man costumes to do anything  
> revolutionary.
> Aaron
> At 8/29/2011, you wrote:
>> Several exhibition venues in the San Francisco
>> Bay Area, all of which will be presented
>> substantial programs of what could be considered
>> avant-garde/experimental/underground works in
>> the coming months (presented alphabetically):
>> Artists' Television Access (ATA):
>> Canyon Cinema:
>> Oddball Films:
>> Other Cinema (at ATA):
>> San Francisco Cinematheque:
>> There is also a new venue in west Oakland called
>> "Black Hole" which (I believe) promotes itself
>> primarily via Facebook. Best just to go there
>> (Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of
>> the Facebook hive mind) and search for them.
>> And please...
>> Before anyone says anything...
>> I am the Artistic Director of Cinematheque. I am
>> a filmmaker member (and once employee and board
>> member—”but not currently) of Canyon Cinema. I
>> am a long-time volunteer with Other Cinema/ATA.
>> I even worked for Oddball for a short time years ago.
>> Call this disclosure.
>> This collation of publicly-accessible
>> information is posted out of a sense of love for
>> this local film scene and for this community,
>> enthusiam for the coming season and as an act of
>> generosity towards a newcomer. Beyond this I
>> make no claims to speak for, advocate for, or
>> argue the merits (or shortcomings) of any of the
>> above venues (other than Cinematheque). OK? I
>> also apologize to any venues I may have left
>> out. No venue was omitted from my list due to
>> personal (or institutional) ill will; if there
>> have been any omissions it is only due to my personal ignorance.
>> Peace out,
>> Steve Polta
>> --- On Mon, 8/29/11, carl elsaesser <> wrote:
>> From: carl elsaesser <>
>> Subject: [Frameworks] Moving to San Francisco
>> To:
>> Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 9:51 AM
>> Hey, I just moved to San Francisco from Maine
>> and I wanted to check out the film community
>> here. I would love any and all advice on
>> organizing community events, if there are
>> non-profit organizations set up for experimental
>> film makers or of funding opportunities for young film-makers.
>> even if it is just for coffee I would love to
>> hear what artists have been up to here, and get
>> a sense of collaboration possibilities.
>> Thanks and too much love,
>> --
>> cArl Elsaesser
>> 207-607-2610
>> <>http:// 
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