Thanks Carl, I'll look for it. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Carl Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Ittai -- > > My memory is hazy, but I remember there's a Jane Campion film -- I think > it might be The Piano, but possibly an earlier film than that -- where a > girl is telling a story and it suddenly cuts to a short hand-drawn > animation sequence. It's the only moment in the film that's like that (the > rest of the movie is "live-action") and it's never really explained why > we're seeing it like this, though it does relate to the story the girl is > telling. (If I'm remembering correctly...it's possible I'm just imagining > remembering it.....but I'm sure others on fw would know for sure.) > > Carl > > > > On 1/23/2013 6:04 PM, Ittai Rosenbaum wrote: > > Tom, Bryan, Roger > > Thank you so much! The examples - of which I knew only one: "Blazing > Saddles" - sound very interesting and relevant. I will check them all out > and share any further information. > > Ittai > > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Beebe, Roger <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Just to piggyback on/unpack Tom's mention of "Hapax Legomena"--it's >> actually 7 films (that can be considered as one larger unit). The title >> refers to words that only appear once in the written record, in an author's >> work, etc. (In ancient texts, this makes them especially difficult to >> decipher, as you might imagine.) So the title itself refers to >> singularity--you'll have to take a look at the films, three of which are on >> the Frampton Criterion set, to see if the films seem to speak to/embody >> that concept. >> >> ... >> Roger >> >> On Jan 23, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Tom Whiteside wrote: >> >> This is interesting – thanks for asking a fresh question. As a “film >> person” who started out in music decades ago, I have always envied and >> admired the breadth and depth of musicology. Film studies is such a young >> field – we are centuries behind. >> >> Filmmaker Hollis Frampton made a film titled “Hapax Legomena” which >> immediately comes to mind. >> >> And although Mel Brooks doesn’t make this list too often, he’s going to >> hit it twice right away. A good example of your singular event would be in >> his Western film “Blazing Saddles,” the cowboys are galloping across the >> plains and the movie music is playing on the soundtrack, sounds like Count >> Basie and His Orchestra – well my goodness, it IS Count Basie and His >> Orchestra and the cowboys just rode right past them, out there on the >> plains. It’s a simple thing, played for laughs – the previously unseen >> soundtrack orchestra revealed – but it is quite a singular moment. And for >> many people it probably changed, at least a little bit, the way they think >> about “movie music.” >> >> There is the moment in Jem Cohen’s “Lost Book Found” when the >> conventional “unseen narrator” voice slowly fades out and is replaced by a >> different, unexpected voice, delivering a more cryptic message. It is a >> pivotal moment in that film. Similarly, in Raul Ruiz’s “Hypothesis of the >> Stolen Painting” a guy is sitting in a chair talking in rather flat tones, >> it becomes increasingly boring, he slows down…. and he falls asleep. On >> camera, the narration just goes to sleep. I only saw that film once and am >> probably not remembering this correctly, but I do remember the singularity >> of my experience sitting there, listening to this guy, trying to make sense >> of it, getting a bit bored, then watching him nod off. That woke me up! >> >> Tom Durham Cinematheque >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ittai Rosenbaum >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:37 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* [Frameworks] Singularity and intentional incoherence >> >> >> Hi >> My name is Ittai Rosenbaum, I am a doctoral student at the music >> composition department at UCSC and in the process of defining my >> Qualification Exams topics. I wondered if anyone could perhaps have >> interesting knowledge or insights about a subject in film theory that might >> parallel one of my topics. >> >> I am interested in singular events in composition: events that occur only >> once, contrasted and incoherent to the main musical language of the work, >> yet deliberately conceived and intentionally inserted in the composition, >> contributing, by way of distraction and surprise, to the conception of the >> piece. >> >> Coherence seems to constitute a compulsory element in composition, and >> even incoherence (surprise, collage etc.) as it happens in the music of, >> say, Charles Ives, George Crumb or John Zorn, becomes coherent and even >> homogenous once it recurs. I suspect that *singular*, incoherent events >> may have a genuine effect, different than that. >> >> I am interested in parallel or similar phenomena in film, as my own >> compositions are more than often related to the visual, verbal, social and >> other elements usually inherent in film. >> Far from an expert in films, I do recall several instances where I felt I >> have viewed such singular events in film: the awakening in Chris Marker’s >> La jetée – a single moment of two seconds of movement in a film made >> entirely of stills, some moments that I can't recall now in Fellini's films >> (although usually there is a certain "homogeneity of singularity" in the >> ones I saw), and a comic one, in Mel Brooks’s *Silent Movie*, when the >> famous pantomime Marcel Marceau utters the only single word in the film: >> “no!” >> >> I would be very interested to know if this is something that has been >> written about and generally what your experience and opinion is. >> >> thank you >> >> >> -- >> Ittai Rosenbaum >> www.ittairosenbaum.com >> >> (650) 704-6566 >> >> PRÆSENTEM >> >> http://earbits.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> > > > -- > Ittai Rosenbaum > www.ittairosenbaum.com > > (650) 704-6566 > > PRÆSENTEM > > http://earbits.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing > [email protected]https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > -- Ittai Rosenbaum www.ittairosenbaum.com (650) 704-6566 PRÆSENTEM http://earbits.com/
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