Moire evidence for Brakhage.  About 15 years ago he had a show at the 
University of Oregon.  Part of his lecture and presentation involved him 
talking about Turner and showing at least one slide to make his point (about 
light and sky, as I remember).  At a meal afterwards the conversation returned 
to Turner and Stan was quite clear and detailed about which London museums had 
which Turners, which collection was better, etc. etc.  Clearly it wasn't just a 
casual knowledge but one deeply thought about, knowledge gained in those 
galleries by directly encountering the art work.  Which sort of summarizes what 
he himself stood for, I think: directly confronting and experiencing an artwork 
in all its full presence.  Certainly the best pathway into any of his films.


Chuck Kleinhans




On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Fred Camper wrote:

Not "less known" perhaps, but Brakhage is key here.

He cites Turner as an influence in a list of influences, as someone mentioned, 
in my Criterion liner notes. It might be worth recounting how that list was 
composed. I asked him on the phone for his most important influences from 
writers, painters, and composers, and added, "You only get two of each." For 
painters he chose Turner and Pollock as the two most important. (He also added, 
on his own, an additional art, dance.)

"The Text of Light" would be the most important film here. Not only did he look 
at Turner, but the variability of light in Turner is deeply inscribed in that 
film. He also spoke of "The Text of Light" in terms of landscape. This aspect 
of light was explored even more radically in the "Romans," "Arabics," and 
"Egyptians." The imagery in those films is far more removed from ideas of 
landscape.

Fred Camper
Chicago


Quoting Aaron Juneau 
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Dear frameworks members,

I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at 
Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with 
regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the 
article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether 
somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known 
filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and 
solid evidence as opposed to conjecture.

Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

My very best,



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