Eliminating mediocre docudramas from the genre “documentaries” is hardly narrowing the definition. I dislike the D-word, perhaps because it has become meaningless due to arguments like this.
I prefer the term “non-fiction.” Punishment Park is a somewhat clueless exercise using actors, um, enunciating their “feelings,” as you point out. I suppose one could view it as a “documentary” about actors exploring their “feelings,” but it fails as that. This reminds me of the Academy awarding “Best Documentary” to a Wolper-produced insect-fear film called The Hellstrom Chronicles. I suppose the insect footage might be “real.” But little else. The late-60s and early 70s spawned a lot of faux-documentaries, or films that coopted that era’s non-fiction style. Is FACES a documentary? Wanda? The Candidate? What about Spinal Tap? I realize that few people care about these distinctions anymore. Jeff Kreines Kinetta [email protected] kinetta.com Sent from iPhone. > On Jul 10, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Scott MacDonald <[email protected]> wrote: > > Naaah, Punishment Park is not just faux doc style applied to fiction. Watkins > devised a fictional situation (based on aspects of the political reality of > that moment and a premonition of where reality might go next, as of 1970), > set up so that actors playing their real ideological selves (that is, cast to > play themselves and improvise their own dialogue) could enunciate what they > were actually feeling in 1971 and have their impassioned arguments with each > other documented--as the war in Vietnam continued. > > I don't think Sonya is looking for a narrow definition of "documentary." > >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Jeff Kreines <[email protected]> wrote: >> None of those Peter Watkins films are documentaries. Faux-documentary style >> applied to fiction does not a documentary make. You should know better. >> >> Jeff Kreines >> Kinetta >> [email protected] >> kinetta.com >> >> Sent from iPhone. >> >>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 2:09 PM, luis ? <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> 25Cines/seg (2017) Luis Macías >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> El mar., 10 jul. 2018 a las 20:17, Jeff Kreines (<[email protected]>) >>>> escribió: >>>> Demon Lover Diary, by Joel DeMott. >>>> >>>> Jeff Kreines >>>> Kinetta >>>> [email protected] >>>> kinetta.com >>>> >>>> Sent from iPhone. >>>> >>>>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Sonya Mladenova <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> >>>>> Looking for documentary films shot with/within a group of people engaged >>>>> in an activity or some kind of project, independently or in an organized >>>>> environment, in which the filmmaker is a visible and/or an active >>>>> participatory presence. I'm especially interested in films from the last >>>>> 25-30 years. I'm investigating the relationship between the filmed >>>>> person(s) and the person(s) filming, whatever the configuration. >>>>> >>>>> Somes examples, but not limited in scope: >>>>> Starless Dreams by Mehrdad Oskouei >>>>> À ciel ouvert by Mariana Otero >>>>> La moindre des choses by Nicolas Philibert >>>>> >>>>> Many many thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Sonya >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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