Lori felker’s Future language: the dimensions of von lmo (2018!) On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 5:59 PM Adam Hyman <a...@lafilmforum.org> wrote:
> Sonya stated "I'm especially interested in films from the last 25-30 > years.” These suggestions are from the late 60s and early 70s. Has there > really been nothing that fits the bill made in the USA since 1990? And > outside the USA? > There are many many films where the filmmaker is visible. Almost every > Werner Herzog film, for example. The group activity with the filmmaker as > participant is the challenging part. > > Sonya, does something like “The Act of Killing” (Joshua Oppenheimer) fit > the bill? The enacted scenes of the genocidaires fantasy films were > organized by the filmmakers. They are a sort of group activity, and the > filmmakers are an active participant. There is some direct address to > Joshua later in the film, but I don’t recall whether any filmmakers > are visible in those enacted scenes. > > Or how about groups like bands, teams, or such where one member is making > the film. Does Dave Grohl’s “Sound City” count? Other band docs directed > by members? (isn’t there on by the Beastie Boys?) > > I think overall you are more likely to find such films not in the USA, > where the individual still reigns supreme and filmmakers in standard docs > are still supposed to be watchers and not participants. “Experimental” > docs often have a filmmaker participant, but the group activity element is > tough. I know of a couple of films that live more in the art world than > the doc world that look at group therapy, have staged scenes, and so > forth. But those are also tough due to doctor-patient privilege, so there > may be no scenes of the “ actual” group therapy session. The filmmakers > aren’t patients in therapy; they do set up the staged scenes though with > the patients in the group, and thus participate in that sense. Does that > interest you? > > How about “The Cove”? Wasn’t the filmmaker working with the people doing > the action against dolphin hunters? Or am I misremembering? > > Does the filmmaker have to be a camera person? There are plenty of sports > films, like ski stunt films, where the camera people are the skiers, for > example, but are they the filmmakers? Or is a filmmaker only someone who > directs and edits? > > Are there films that anyone can think of, perhaps, with a class in a > school, and the teacher is making the film? > > Best regards, > > Adam > > From: FrameWorks <frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com> on behalf of > Christian Bruno <honeyhou...@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List < > frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>" <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> > Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 12:52 PM > To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>" < > frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>, "sonya.mladen...@gmail.com" < > sonya.mladen...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries within/with a group subject and > participatory filmmaker(s) > > I'm guessing William Greaves' *Symbiopsychotaxiplasm, Take One* would be > an excellent example. > > > best > > Christian > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* FrameWorks <frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com> on behalf of > Scott MacDonald <smacd...@hamilton.edu> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:58 AM > *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List; sonya.mladen...@gmail.com > *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries within/with a group subject and > participatory filmmaker(s) > > *Peter Watkins: Punishment Park (1970) and really most all of Watkins' > work.* > > *Scott* > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Sonya Mladenova < > sonya.mladen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Looking for documentary films shot with/within a group of people engaged > in an activity or some kind of project, independently or in an organized > environment,*in which the filmmaker is a visible and/or an active > participatory presence*. I'm especially interested in films from the last > 25-30 years. I'm investigating the relationship between the filmed > person(s) and the person(s) filming, whatever the configuration. > > > Somes examples, but not limited in scope: > Starless Dreams by Mehrdad Oskouei > À ciel ouvert by Mariana Otero > La moindre des choses by Nicolas Philibert > > Many many thanks, > > Sonya > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >
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