On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Freddie Cash <fjwc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Julian Elischer <jul...@freebsd.org>wrote: > >> On 10/9/13 2:35 AM, Freddie Cash wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Alfred Perlstein <bri...@mu.org> wrote: >>> >>> You're right on the money, to be honest this is one of the reasons why >>>> I've switched to using OSX as my desktop OS. >>>> >>>> zsh, vim, screen by default. and upgrades work. At the end of the day >>>> I'm spending time doing work, not mucking about my workspace to make it >>>> usable for development. >>>> >>>> I think this was brought up at BSDCan in the discussion about making >>>> FreeBSD a more featured development platform. >>>> >>>> Speaking of... has anyone tried PCBSD? >>>> >>> >>> PC-BSD isn't much different from FreeBSD. The installer is GUI and >>> support >>> ZFS, there are some GUI setup tools on first boot for X, there are some >>> GUI >>> tools to select binary drivers for X, and there are working pkgng repos >>> available. >>> >>> I had a lot of issues with PC-BSD 9.0 and 9.1 as I was trying to do >>> things >>> "the FreeBSD way" which broke a lot of things that were done "the PC-BSD >>> way" (aka don't manually edit config files used for booting). >>> >>> Switching to the "rolling-release" (aka PC-BSD 9-STABLE) and moving all >>> my >>> config file edits into <filename>.conf.local fixed my issues. Things >>> have >>> been running smooth, and I finally understand the beauty and simplicity >>> of >>> freebsd-update + pkg. OS gets updated once per month, packages get >>> updated >>> twice per month, no more compiling things from source. It's like using >>> Ubuntu/Debian but with the power and features of FreeBSD. :) >>> >>> >> >> When they went to a ZFS-only system, using GRUB, with no alternative, >> then I'm afraid they lost me. >> I want a root filesystem on UFS for reliabailty and simpleness. I can >> debug it's media if needed. >> Before then I really liked it (though ther eis not enough information on >> how it works interneally if you want to use it. >> hopefully that will come.. and I LIKE PBIs FreeBSD should adopt PBIs for >> sure. >> With PBIs you could make even quite base items separately installable. >> versioning problems go away. >> > > There's no GRUB in a default install of PC-BSD 9.0, 9.1, or 9.2. Even on > a ZFS-only setup (which is what I run). It's using the FreeBSD loader, > with custom artwork and menus. > Hrm, it seems they've changed things with the 9.2 installer. It does use GRUB2 (ewwww!) for the boot loader, and integrates support for ZFS boot environments (via beadm) into it. :( Shame they didn't use the BE support in the FreeBSD loader for this. Wonder if my 9-STABLE-based PC-BSD install will get "upgraded" to GRUB? -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com _______________________________________________ firstname.lastname@example.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"