On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 07:32:29PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:13:13AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:20:39AM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote:
> > > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the work.
> > > 
> > > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* our reference
> > > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the hardware and
> > > interest to keep it "alive".
> > ...

Not to forget knowledge and time.

> > > If there isn't enough critical mass to keep it going, then it is dead
> > > by definition.
> > 
> > This is my current feeling -- that Alpha 5-CURRENT no long has any
> > critical mass.  Thus it isn't worth the time or trouble.

I'm would not call it dead only because it's always behind development.
The latest alpha-current I'm running is nearly a month old - just
because I always want to see a stable i386 before which I havn't seen
for the last weeks.
Sorry - I can't spend my time on alpha *and* machine independ bugs.

> > My interests have moved over to sparc64 and x86-64 where I believe there

Many alpha bugs and problems are there because of LP64 not because of
alpha - other LP64 platforms will put LP64 into a much stronger
position and help alpha a lot.
I was always interested in FreeBSD-alpha because of having more than 4G
memory and more than 4G address space - mostly the later.
None is working - Memory is limited to 2G and increasing MAXDSIZ to
big values is simply broken.
Not ashtonishing that there is no big interest for anyoone to use
FreeBSD-alpha in production - you can have these limits cheaper and
without the bug troubles using Intel hardware.
I always been sorrowed to run an FreeBSD-alpha as a cvsup server.

> For x86-64  I see the point, sparc64 is not something I would want to spend
> any time on (no disrespect to the sparc64 folks, I just don't think sparc
> will have any great momentum).
> > will be a much larger following.  It is shame after I've spent several
> > thousand $$ on Alpha hardware over the past three years.

That's what makes me still beleave in FreeBSD-alpha.
Alpha is the cheapest 64 bit platform available.
Think a moment on what you have paid for your sun labeled symbios.

> And Alpha hardware is so much nicer than the x86 crap out there :(

The same goes for sparc64 compared to x86.
And sparc64 has a better future from the hardware perspective.
I can understand why people are looking forward to sparc64.

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