On  3 Jul, Peter Wemm wrote:
> Chuck Robey wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, David O'Brien wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 07:43:22PM -0700, George V. Neville-Neil wrote:
>> > >  I know everyone says "they all work" but i'd like some recommendations 
>     on
>> > > MP machines for -CURRENT work.  I'll be ordering one this week.
>> >
>> > There is but _1_ dual system to get -- Tyan Thunder K7 (code name Guinness)
>     .
>> > http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7.html.  It comes in multiple
>> > flavors, but mine is the dual-channel Ultra160, dual-3com 10/100, 5-64bit
>> > PCI, 1 AGP version.  You can cheap out and not get the non-SCSI S2462NG
>> > model.  Match this bad-boy up with a pair of fast Athlon `MP' (not `XP')
>> > CPU's and it is a totally solid system.  Various FreeBSD committers also
>> > have this system.
>> >
>> > There is a newer [more economic] version called the Thunder K7X.
>> > http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7x.html
>> "more economic" is a poor way to describe it, seeing as it has all the
>> features, plus (1) an updated version of the AMD mp chipset and (2) a
>> fixed onboard usb port.  The K7 had a broken on-board usb (the AMD
>> chipset had a PCI contention bug for the usb port, so the tin back panel
>> of the board blocked out the usb, and the K7 came with a PCI usb card,
>> which ate up one of your PCI slots.  The K7X has a repaired on-board usb,
>> so you get that PCI slot back.
> Hmmmmm.....  Do you have any details on this?  I've had occasional strange
> USB-related things happen on this box.  Of course, it runs -current which
> puts me into the USB danger-zone enough as it is.. but what happens when
> this bug is triggered?

I just finished buying the K7X myself, so I did quite a bit of research
before rejecting the Asus board, and the K7.  This included reading
about a half dozen reviews I located via google and tomshardware.  I'm
quite certain of my facts (and my head is abuzz with lots more board
trivia about them) but it's going to take a little bit for me to run
down the source of the PCI comment.  I'll do that, wait a bit for it.

> Cheers,
> -Peter
> --
> "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5

Chuck Robey         | Interests include C & Java programming, FreeBSD,
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