BSD cant do multipath routing behind NAT, just like iproute(8) Linux,
hope Paul Hening Kamp Patch will work...


Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft.
BSD is for people who love Unix.

Under these conditions, I guess that I need to go for Linux...

Seriously, one thing that catches my attention is that I don't see any really great differences between the BSD (Any version) and the Linux community. In doing some reading, it appears that the people at KDE and Gnome, as well as many others, have this same thought. I was actually pointed in the FreeBSD direction by a magazine writer whom I was communicating with about the future of Linux. We talked by email and he thought that FreeBSD had to most promise of a good future. He suggested that I should check FreeBSD out.

Understand that learning UNIX is not my end goal. It may happen in the process, but being a master of the UNIX system is not my end goal. Nor is writing programs my goal. I wrote a ton of programs 20 years ago, but I haven't written a single line of code in 10 years. I have no wish to work in an IT shop anywhere. My goal is simply to keep some of my older computers useful. I care less about which operating system I am using as long as it does the job that I want. This business of buying new computers every year or two is a Micro$oft idea. It is also an idea that needs to be re-thought.

Micro$oft is great about jumping onto new technology with half-baked software. When they get close to fixing their software, then they abandon it for new technology and more half-baked software expecting people to buy the new hardware/software. It's a system that Micro$oft can't be beaten at. I simply think that it is time for a change.

(I'm not against new ideas. But I hate keeping up with Mr. Gates.)

Lloyd Hayes

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Tom McLaughlin wrote:

On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 15:40, Jorn Argelo wrote:

Lloyd Hayes wrote:

I finally decided that I needed to get more information on FreeBSD. I got it up and running, then I did something else and I start getting errors again....

So I just ordered 3 books on FreeBSD from Amazon. In most of the reviews posted there about the books, people were complaining about weak documentation, too much information about things that they were not interested in, and errors in the in the books which seems to be the most common complaint. In my very short recent history with FreeBSD, I've formed the opinion that documenting FreeBSD is it's greatest weakness. FreeBSD needs someone who can actually type to write a good book for beginners who have never seen UNIX code. A book is needed with examples that actually WORK! Examples that are explained in plain English. There seems to be very few books on FreeBSD around.

Beginners who never seen UNIX coude shouldn't start with FreeBSD in the first place, if you ask me. They should start Mandrake Linux or SuSe or something of the sorts. FreeBSD isn't made to make an "user friendly" operating system, as Mandrake Linux is aiming at. You just have to know some Unix stuff before you even start with FreeBSD.

I would have to disgree having my first *nix experience five years ago
with Mandrake and switching to FreeBSD a number of months ago. I
switched to FreeBSD because I felt my unix skills were getting rusty. When I started with Mandrake I did most of my system configuration and
administration from the command line and I learned a lot of unix in
those first few years.
Over time with the inclusion of more GUI based tools that became
harder. Files seemed to keep moving or configuration was spread across
too many files. I believe you end up becomming too dependant on the
distribution specific configuration tools with Linux and you don't
truely learn the system. For anyone who really wants to learn unix the
BSDs are the place to start.

Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft.
BSD is for people who love Unix.


I have the book on the below link, and I must say it is very very good. Good examples and clearly elaborated, though it lacks in-depth information, which might be handy for more advanced users. It's good for beginners who are comfortable in a Unix or Linux enviroment. Why don't you give that one a shot?

And what about our own FreeBSD Handbook? Don't tell me that that is bad, because there is book that can beat it if you ask me.


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