Experience has given me a preference for low-level machine compilable
languages Assembler and like the various flavors of C.  I don't like
languages like JAVA that ride a non-machine specific protocol and ride
atop emulators or interpreters on top a browser on top an OS on top
sophisticated hardware.  They tend to be problematic, flaky, because
you don't know what all the routines you ride are doing or if they're
reliable across all implementations.

And the hit in performance you take riding on top all those routines
written by wankers really sucks compared to what you get from machine
specific compiled code.  I spend enough time looking the hourglass
waiting for JAVA scripts to run as it is.  I don't want to add to this
wank'in time wasting practice.

CB

On 4/23/14, Chris Evans <aaxiomfin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Its the startup bios that supports boot mode. once they move from legacy to
> UEFI your older mbr drives will not boot.
>
>
> ---
> I'd guess that, even with UEFI replacing legacy BIOS, bootable USB sticks
> with MBR partitioning will still be bootable, subject to the underlyimg OS
> being otherwise compatible with the hardware.
>
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> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Thomas Mueller <mueller6...@twc.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Excerpt from Rugxulo:
>>
>> > DOS on modern IBM PC clones have too many hardware compatibility
>> > issues:  power management, lack of networking (almost no packet
>> > drivers), no soundcard drivers (or even static libs), almost no USB
>> > support. It doesn't look like most hardware companies care enough to
>> > waste time on it. Heck, half the time they don't seem to even properly
>> > support Linux. And DJGPP isn't exactly brimming with enthusiastic new
>> > users or tons of ports from Linux maintainers either.
>>
>> > So expecting anything beyond what we've already got is probably naive
>> > (sadly). They probably (rightly? hope not!) think that DOS will really
>> > disappear once the BIOS is totally replaced by UEFI in all new OEM
>> > shipments. I know some people think some partial BIOS compatibility
>> > will be available, but I'm very skeptical.
>>
>> > In other words, it's complicated!
>>
>> Now I have modern computer hardware, and can't even successfully install
>> FreeDOS.
>>
>> I once succeeded on a 4 GB USB stick, Ativa, twist-turn style, but that
>> went bad, actually came apart physically.
>>
>> This installation could read the header/title of a CD but no more in a
>> SATA DVD-RW drive.
>>
>> I also had a FreeDOS installation on a 341 MB IDE hard drive but can no
>> longer read that hard drive, now using Sabrent USB 2.0 enclosure.
>>
>> I am able to read two other old IDE hard drives in that enclosure.
>>
>> But there is hope, considering that the FreeDOS image on System Rescue CD
>> boots and runs, at least if I use no memory manager.
>>
>> FreeDOS can read and write to USB drive with FAT16 or FAT32 file system
>> thanks to BIOS/UEFI support, but only as a fixed disk: only when in port
>> at
>> boot time, and no good when changing USB sticks.
>>
>> FreeDOS can't read my hard drive because of lack of support for GPT.
>>
>> I can't access Ethernet or wi-fi through FreeDOS at all, at least not
>> yet.
>>  I haven't downloaded Glenn McCorkle's March 2013 update of Arachne for
>> DOS.  Even if I could make the network work in FreeDOS, lack of support
>> for
>> Javascript or HTTPS makes Arachne useful just as a curiosity; so many
>> more
>> functional browsers available for Linux and BSD.
>>
>> I wonder about the possibility of making hardware work in FreeDOS through
>> UEFI initializing the devices, or Ethernet through PXE boot.
>>
>> I believe DJGPP is pretty much lame-duck now.
>>
>> I'd guess that, even with UEFI replacing legacy BIOS, bootable USB sticks
>> with MBR partitioning will still be bootable, subject to the underlyimg
>> OS
>> being otherwise compatible with the hardware.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
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