Are you talking about real Java, or JavaScript in your comment about performance? JavaScript has nothing to do with real Java...
> -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Belhumeur [mailto:chbelhumeur2...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 7:18 PM > To: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers. > Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release! > > Experience has given me a preference for low-level machine compilable > languages Assembler and like the various flavors of C. I don't like > languages like JAVA that ride a non-machine specific protocol and ride > atop emulators or interpreters on top a browser on top an OS on top > sophisticated hardware. They tend to be problematic, flaky, because > you don't know what all the routines you ride are doing or if they're > reliable across all implementations. > > And the hit in performance you take riding on top all those routines > written by wankers really sucks compared to what you get from machine > specific compiled code. I spend enough time looking the hourglass > waiting for JAVA scripts to run as it is. I don't want to add to this > wank'in time wasting practice. > > CB > > On 4/23/14, Chris Evans <aaxiomfin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Its the startup bios that supports boot mode. once they > move from legacy to > > UEFI your older mbr drives will not boot. > > > > > > --- > > I'd guess that, even with UEFI replacing legacy BIOS, > bootable USB sticks > > with MBR partitioning will still be bootable, subject to > the underlyimg OS > > being otherwise compatible with the hardware. > > > > -- > > -chris > > Computer Consultant & Repair Tech > > Digitalatoll Solutions Group > > Tawhaki Software > > http://digitalatoll.com/ > > http://tawakisoft.com/ > > Cell: 916-612-6904 > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Thomas Mueller > <mueller6...@twc.com> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> Excerpt from Rugxulo: > >> > >> > DOS on modern IBM PC clones have too many hardware compatibility > >> > issues: power management, lack of networking (almost no packet > >> > drivers), no soundcard drivers (or even static libs), > almost no USB > >> > support. It doesn't look like most hardware companies > care enough to > >> > waste time on it. Heck, half the time they don't seem to > even properly > >> > support Linux. And DJGPP isn't exactly brimming with > enthusiastic new > >> > users or tons of ports from Linux maintainers either. > >> > >> > So expecting anything beyond what we've already got is > probably naive > >> > (sadly). They probably (rightly? hope not!) think that > DOS will really > >> > disappear once the BIOS is totally replaced by UEFI in > all new OEM > >> > shipments. I know some people think some partial BIOS > compatibility > >> > will be available, but I'm very skeptical. > >> > >> > In other words, it's complicated! > >> > >> Now I have modern computer hardware, and can't even > successfully install > >> FreeDOS. > >> > >> I once succeeded on a 4 GB USB stick, Ativa, twist-turn > style, but that > >> went bad, actually came apart physically. > >> > >> This installation could read the header/title of a CD but > no more in a > >> SATA DVD-RW drive. > >> > >> I also had a FreeDOS installation on a 341 MB IDE hard > drive but can no > >> longer read that hard drive, now using Sabrent USB 2.0 enclosure. > >> > >> I am able to read two other old IDE hard drives in that enclosure. > >> > >> But there is hope, considering that the FreeDOS image on > System Rescue CD > >> boots and runs, at least if I use no memory manager. > >> > >> FreeDOS can read and write to USB drive with FAT16 or > FAT32 file system > >> thanks to BIOS/UEFI support, but only as a fixed disk: > only when in port > >> at > >> boot time, and no good when changing USB sticks. > >> > >> FreeDOS can't read my hard drive because of lack of > support for GPT. > >> > >> I can't access Ethernet or wi-fi through FreeDOS at all, > at least not > >> yet. > >> I haven't downloaded Glenn McCorkle's March 2013 update > of Arachne for > >> DOS. Even if I could make the network work in FreeDOS, > lack of support > >> for > >> Javascript or HTTPS makes Arachne useful just as a > curiosity; so many > >> more > >> functional browsers available for Linux and BSD. > >> > >> I wonder about the possibility of making hardware work in > FreeDOS through > >> UEFI initializing the devices, or Ethernet through PXE boot. > >> > >> I believe DJGPP is pretty much lame-duck now. > >> > >> I'd guess that, even with UEFI replacing legacy BIOS, > bootable USB sticks > >> with MBR partitioning will still be bootable, subject to > the underlyimg > >> OS > >> being otherwise compatible with the hardware. > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > >> Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform > >> Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software > >> Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready > >> Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A > Collaboration Platform > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Freedos-devel mailing list > >> Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform > Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software > Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready > Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform > http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform > _______________________________________________ > Freedos-devel mailing list > Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform _______________________________________________ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
