Well,UEFI has a legacy boot mode.But,in theory,one can take out the UEFI
firmware out a computer and put BIOS firmware in.So it is possible,if one
is hardware savvy.NIOS can still be special ordered in computers as
well.Also,I have thought about this issue.Perhaps we could (in the future)
contact the UEFI creators to add more settings in.Even certain BIOS systems
were limited.I know on my 'lil Hp laptop (which has FreeDOS on it.Haha.)
has a BIOS that only lets me change boot order,no other options in it
really.I think we should begin developing for FreeDOS to work with UEFI.As
annoying as it is,we must move with revolution.UEFI is still a newborn.In a
few years,UEFI may be better than BIOS.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Teddy T. <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't like it either, to me it looks like a "light" or empty BIOS with
> so few options that it's almost useless. I don't even understand why it has
> been created yet. I regret the old BIOS with tenth of options where we
> could customise even the fan speed and processor. But is it possible to get
> rid of UEFI and get back to a real BIOS ? If possible it must be tricky and
> unsafe... and I don't talk about warranty.
> How may I prove if/that the boot issue really comes from the UEFI/BIOS
> itself and not FreeDOS to force Asus take care of it ?
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 04:33:02 -0700
>
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS compatibility issue according to Asus
>
> To add to this,I personally don't like UEFI.UEFI may be more eye
> appealing,with changeable themes,but it doesn't really interact with
> hardware as much as it should.It is more geared for software.BIOS,even
> though it is made of mostly ASCII characters,it interacts with the
> hardware.I have AwardStation for BIOS( I think by legacy,I'm not to
> sure),and it does what I need it to.Sometimes BIOS has a mouse.But who
> cares?THe problem with many older bootable media is that UEFI doesn't work
> to well with hardware.Yes,it does interact with some of the DEFAULT
> hardware,but not new hardware.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Teddy T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Asus sold his shit and got the money, they don't care about proving
> anything, it's our duty, their stupid customers, to prove they are lying...
> if only the problem happened when trying to boot from ODD, we could think
> it may be related to FreeDOS, but no, it happens when trying to avoid it
> and boot HDD !
> Asus does ignore for sure how their own products work, their technical
> "support" is totally ignorant and I even had to teach them what boot
> options mean, what PXE is used for and how to use a LiveCD... they never
> heard that word by the way...
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:51:39 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS compatibility issue according to Asus
>
> If ASUS is trying to blame FreeDOS for something,why not prove it?I think
> they are just ignoring their OWN bios faults.I never had a problem booting
> into FreeDOS with my bios (AwardStation BIOS).Yes,a disk may be formatted
> wrong,but that doesn't affect BIOS at all.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:43 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 19, 2015 9:23 PM, "Teddy T." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Good Evening,
> >
> ...
> > Could someone please confirm if FreeDOS may really cause this kind of
> problem, if it could prevent a BIOS from using several boot options, making
> it unable to switch automatically between them ? And if this behaviour is
> really caused by FreeDOS, are FreeDOS and Asus teams working together to
> propose patches or updates to solve errors like this one ?
> >
> ...
> > Regards.
> >
> > - Teddy T.
> ...
>
> Please see previous replies from others on this list. Unless you have a
> disk, real or virtual in the drive there is no way FreeDOS could directly
> cause the failure. If there is a disk involved, then there could be
> incompatibilities but this is the first report of them I recall seeing.
> Additional information is needed to determine where in the boot process the
> failure occurs and which component is involved, ie way disk
> fdisk/formatted, or maybe boot sector on virtual image, and then is it
> floppy, hd, CD boot code, ...
>
> To answer your second question, no we are not working to fix it. However,
> if it is a problem with FreeDOS and something we can reasonably fix or work
> around, then it may be fixed if we get more information. As they seem to
> know the cause, at minimum a bug report would be nice, preferably with
> details of what point and how FreeDOS is involved in the booting.
>
> Jeremy
>
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