and freevo using the dxr3 output happily put's things right up to the edge
of the video. the clock and other things including the idlebar needs to be
moved in and down significantly.  I.E. it's easier to simply make them
positionable.. and allow overscan setting to move them in or out + or - 20
percent.

on my lcd projector looking at the ntsc signal, freevo uses every inch of
the video frame and put's the clock right at the edge. so on a television it
will be 1/2 off or more.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Shortt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] dxr3 and libSDL



For everyone, this is an important read:  http://scanline.ca/overscan/

Mark Benson wrote:
> If you are going to use overscan, then the interface should be designed to
> take into account the TV Safe area.

Freevo does take into account the safe action area and overscan area 
(referring to the area outside of the safe action area).  That's what 
OSD_OVERSCAN_X and OSD_OVERSCAN_Y are for.  If your tv encoder is 
overscanning ~20 pixels we must make sure not to draw that close to the 
'edge' of the tv signal.

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gray, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

<snip>

>>yes I have, and I also need to make the GUI image smaller somehow.

So, you want to make the safe action area smaller - that is what 
Freevo's overscan settings do.

>>overscan settings will not take negative numbers so those are useless (I
>>want a -20 setting!)

That is like saying you want Freevo to draw outside of the tv signal 
which doesn't make sense.

Your dxr3 (or any tv output method / encoder / xserver / drivers) is 
responsible for actually overscanning the picture.  Many xservers that 
support tv-out also have an overscan setting for this, the same is true 
for some framebuffer drivers, and some just overscan a certain amount 
automatically.

So, if your tv-out is overscanning 30 pixels horizontally and in Freevo 
your OSD_OVERSCAN_X is only set to 20 then freevo will draw things 
outside of your visible tv border, outside of the safe action area.  You 
would need at least a value of 30 (probably a bit more) for 
OSD_OVERSCAN_X to make it look right.  Our overscan settings really 
determine what Freevo thinks is the safe action area.

>>so yes it works, except that the freevo GUI is overscanning too far.

It sounds like your dxr3 is overscanning too far and you need to tell 
Freevo just how much.

HTH,
-Rob



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