On 30 Nov 2001, Nick Burrett wrote:

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> 
> Since this announcement, there seems to be several people suddenly offering
> their services to enhance this project.
> 
> I'm just wondering why none of this voluntary work was never offered
> prior to Idaya announcing a non-free version of FreeVSD ?
> 
> Curiously, 

The short answer, nick, is that Idaya failed to understand
the open source community. Accent on _community_

Even though FreeVSD used the GPL license, Idaya forgot that
a community requires much more. Developers, document
writers, even testers and users need to feel that they are a
vital part of the community.

I can see myself translating to Spanish some of webmin's
manuals whith no financial gain for me (the same way that
Joe cooper not only wrote the manual for free, but will
release the pdf's for free!). But I can not see myself doing
the same kind of job with FreeVSD, because I feel that I'm
doing it *for* Idaya, not *with* them or *for the
community*.

If you can't see this, if you don't understand this... well,
I really don't know how to explain it. 

Cheers!
Marcos

ps: you can see below some of Dave's reasons... but, again,
I think, no, let me say, I know that the main problem for
many of the developers/programmers was the lack of a feeling
of a community project. It was never, never clear what was
the direction that Idaya wanted to go. That could be OK for
business.. it's not OK for the open source community. 

'nough said ;)



On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Dave Cost wrote:

> Tired of waiting for idaya's 1.4.10 packages, the new kernel, the new skels
> etc etc.... and reading the provsd pricing model (ouch!) i took the coffe
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> Why? Because I can't expect more help from idaya. They're going commercial.
> FreeVSD will slowly die or at least updates/new features will come at much
> lower rate and much later than in provsd. They're not well funded and they
> need cash (and quick I would add). They may not be around next year.
> 
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> 
> I'm suggesdting that we create a new project that goes in parallel with
> FreeVSD. If idaya and us keep collaboration I would be more than happy. If
> not, we can move on our way.

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