None taken. We prefer the descriptive "Mental Masturbation", btw.
Cheers, --Doug On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Jack Leibowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I > > I'm bowing out of all of this preening. Please exclude me from the e mail > list hereafter. > > No offense intended. There seems to be nothing one can say that doesn't > invite intellectual opportunism here. End > > Jack > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Douglas Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group<[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, September 05, 2008 6:44 PM > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant (meaning old) galaxies, and > quasars > > Me, I'm a simulationist. I run these large, complex population mobility > ABMs in the utmost confidence that I can make the output support whichever > claim happens to be the current politically expedient one. > > Pragmatism trumps vague Reductionism every time. > > --Doug > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Kenneth Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> John, >> >> I tend to be a Prigoginist, see: End of Certainty, Ilya Prigogine. I >> suggest you consider the case for thermodynamic non-equilibrium and the >> problem it creates for reductionism. Some of us have come to understand >> complexity by modeling wavelet perturbations on temporally extended, >> recurrent, non-linear network graphs. The results have been >> very enlightening. >> >> Caveat: such results have been met with great skepticism, if not total >> disbelief, within the FRIAM community. >> >> Ken >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On >> Behalf Of *John F. Kennison >> *Sent:* Friday, September 05, 2008 12:08 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I have been trying to figure out what my position on reductionism might >> be, but I am running into problems. Does reductionism mean a belief that the >> best strategy is always to analyze complex things in terms of simpler >> components (with, I presume, a small number of irreducible parts)? Or is it >> a belief that everything in nature is nothing more than a sum of simple >> components? >> >> --John >> >> >> On 9/5/08 12:13 PM, "Jack Leibowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> To Gunther: >> >> I dont think the word is horrible. >> Please note the quotes around the word in my e-mail. >> Jack >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Günther Greindl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" < >> [email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies >> >> >> Hi, >> >> > This doesn't mean strictly remaining with restraints belonging under the >> > heading of that horrible word "reductionism". >> >> Why do you think that the word is horrible? (be specific please ;-) >> >> Cheers, >> Günther >> >> -- >> Günther Greindl >> Department of Philosophy of Science >> University of Vienna >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Blog: http://www.complexitystudies.org/ >> Thesis: http://www.complexitystudies.org/proposal/ >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >
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