Allrightee!
On Jul 6, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
I would encourage all to drill down into the site a bit. OK,
perhaps "debate" is not an appropriate name for the potential of the
tool. I see it as yet another way, another Web 2.0+ tool, to
introduce, link and present data in (a) a logical progression; (b)
in a collaborative manner and (c) a remotely editable tool. A
visual wiki, if you will.
There are others of similar sort:
http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
http://www.mindmeister.com/
http://cmap.ihmc.us/
-tj
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Victoria Hughes <[email protected]
> wrote:
Thank you Merle.
Your point about the old form of problem-solving, usually
predicated on a win-lose assumption; and the new form - on a win-win
- brings up something that seems important to discuss here at the
Complex; identity as exhibited through attitude and action.
How do we want to exchange information and ideas?
We so often talk about, and often act, from new ways of doing
things.
'Dialogue' is perhaps more useful, both as ultimately more
viable and effective, and as an attitude we want to identify with.
This issue also slides toward the metaphoric concept of
emergence: a number of diverse elements from whose actions together
something altogether new emerges. That's what we sure have, a number
of diverse elements, like it or not. Classic 'debating', from what
I have seen in various academic arenas, tends to lean toward wit and
arrogance, rather than an actual conversation. Not actions together
with others, actions against others. Posturing, rather than a
substantive exchange of ideas.
We are all about substantive idea exchange, far as I can see.
I do appreciate that Tom is out there looking for solutions,
though. What else you got, Tom?
Tory
On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
Tom,
The derivation of the word "debate" is the Latin word
"battere" (pound, beat, hit). The derivation of the word "dialogue"
is from the Greek "dialogos." "Dia" can mean "through", and "logos"
is "the word." The point here is that debate is an old form of
working through problems (although still with us like a vestigial
tail) and ratchets up confrontation to a win-lose dance. Dialogue
seeks to open space for creative, non-bifurcated thinking, that
leads to better outcomes on contentious issues. I'd hate to see
debate as a process reinforced on the Internet.
Merle
Tom Johnson wrote:
An interesting too that "might" assist some of our discussion.
http://debategraph.org/
-tj
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