Thanks, Tom, for your persistance on the thread. We probably should have done
the "was...is now" thing.
I will check these sites.
Nick
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([email protected])
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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From: Tom Johnson
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Sent: 7/6/2009 6:30:35 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Debategraph home
I would encourage all to drill down into the site a bit. OK, perhaps "debate"
is not an appropriate name for the potential of the tool. I see it as yet
another way, another Web 2.0+ tool, to introduce, link and present data in (a)
a logical progression; (b) in a collaborative manner and (c) a remotely
editable tool. A visual wiki, if you will.
There are others of similar sort:
http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
http://www.mindmeister.com/
http://cmap.ihmc.us/
-tj
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Victoria Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you Merle.
Your point about the old form of problem-solving, usually predicated on
a win-lose assumption; and the new form - on a win-win - brings up something
that seems important to discuss here at the Complex; identity as exhibited
through attitude and action.
How do we want to exchange information and ideas?
We so often talk about, and often act, from new ways of doing things.
'Dialogue' is perhaps more useful, both as ultimately more viable and
effective, and as an attitude we want to identify with.
This issue also slides toward the metaphoric concept of emergence: a
number of diverse elements from whose actions together something altogether new
emerges. That's what we sure have, a number of diverse elements, like it or
not. Classic 'debating', from what I have seen in various academic arenas,
tends to lean toward wit and arrogance, rather than an actual conversation. Not
actions together with others, actions against others. Posturing, rather than a
substantive exchange of ideas.
We are all about substantive idea exchange, far as I can see.
I do appreciate that Tom is out there looking for solutions, though.
What else you got, Tom?
Tory
On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
Tom,
The derivation of the word "debate" is the Latin word "battere" (pound, beat,
hit). The derivation of the word "dialogue" is from the Greek "dialogos."
"Dia" can mean "through", and "logos" is "the word." The point here is that
debate is an old form of working through problems (although still with us like
a vestigial tail) and ratchets up confrontation to a win-lose dance. Dialogue
seeks to open space for creative, non-bifurcated thinking, that leads to better
outcomes on contentious issues. I'd hate to see debate as a process reinforced
on the Internet.
Merle
Tom Johnson wrote:
An interesting too that "might" assist some of our discussion.
http://debategraph.org/
-tj
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