All, 

I have tried to stay out of this discussion because I know even less about this 
subject than usual, if such a thing is possible.  But .....

Russ Abbott wrote:

In a service-oriented agent-based model the agents have the ability to 
reconfigure themselves dynamically and perhaps even to add new agents and new 
stock nodes. In a stocks and flows model, the structure of the network static. 

Which led me to wonder if there is any thing lurking in the notion of 
"self-reconfiguration" here that might be making the programing more difficult. 
 What would be lost (or gained) if we replaced the words "ability to 
reconfigure themselves" with the words "sometimes are reconfigured".   That's 
the thing about metaphysics: cant live with it; cant live without it.  At the 
risk of saying something both controversial and  incomprehensible, isnt the 
notion of self-organization literally a non starter because, in control theory, 
the control parameter, the measure by which the system takes stock of its own 
organization, is always some part or feature of the system, not the whole 
system.  It's a cue.  

all be best, 

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, 
Clark University ([email protected])
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/




----- Original Message ----- 
From: Russ Abbott 
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Cc: Antony W. Iorio; [email protected]; 
[email protected]; Lowe,Donald
Sent: 8/28/2009 5:49:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Agents, stocks, and flows


In a discussion with a colleague today we talked briefly about stocks and flows 
networks. It struck me that a stocks and flows model is a limited sort of 
service-oriented agent-based model.  In a service-oriented agent-based model, 
agents accept inputs and produce outputs -- the simplest version being a supply 
chain. That's really a stocks and flows model in which the agents control the 
flows. Important differences are:

In an agent-based model, the agents are assumed to be autonomous in various 
ways. In a stocks and flows model the flow rates are not autonomous. The flow 
rates are equations that don't have the ability to change themselves.They are 
assumed to be facts about the nature of the domain being modeled.

In a service-oriented agent-based model the agents have the ability to 
reconfigure themselves dynamically and perhaps even to add new agents and new 
stock nodes. In a stocks and flows model, the structure of the network static. 
So this raises the question whether anyone knows of any work in stocks and 
flows modeling that addresses stocks and flows networks that are flexible in 
the ways just mentioned.

-- Russ
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