That was a very wise observation, Nick. --Doug
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Nicholas Thompson < [email protected]> wrote: > Steve, **** > > ** ** > > Cynics are disappointed idealists. Somewhere, way beyond all that, is > Wisdom. N**** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2012 11:34 AM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] faith**** > > ** ** > > Nick - > > Good point, however we all probably agree that hyperbole is as common on > this list as is cynicism. > > I actually find myself leaving my driveway less and less... but not > because I think anyone is out to get me, but in fact, as you point out, I'm > more and more aware how much of a S--T no one gives? > > I think one of the things that motivated me in my youth around riding a > motorcycle was the actual exhiliration I felt every time I anticipated some > numbskull's poor judgement or execution... I feel something somewhat > different now. Especially realizing that as often as not, I *don't* > anticipate them all. > > - Steve**** > > D.**** > > **** > > Argumentative positioning aside, you could not get out your drive way if > you actually believed any of that. In the first place, the world isn’t > interested in harming you. That’s the hardest part. REAllizing that they > don’t love you AND they don’t hate you. THEY JUST DON’T GIVE A S—T. *** > * > > **** > > **** > > **** > > n**** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2012 10:21 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] faith**** > > **** > > As another rider (only 44 years) - my faith is that every other driver out > there is incompetent, blind, deaf, and out to get me. I credit that faith > with my continuing existence!**** > > **** > > **** > > davew**** > > **** > > **** > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 06:23 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:**** > > Yeah, well: that philosophy will get you dead if you are a motorcycle > rider. Maybe not the first year, but the longer you maintain "faith" that > the other diver will stay in his lane, the more likely it becomes that you > won't make it home one night. **** > > **** > > I've been riding for 48 years, still alive...**** > > **** > > --Doug**** > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 6:13 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > Since this thread is still going... Curt said: **** > > "Faith: that the other drivers will stay on their side of the road. I > don't have to track every one exactly."**** > > ---- > Exactly! > > It is faith when you stop monitoring the other cars when driving, stop > looking at the ground you are about to step on when walking, etc. It is > faith when you get out of bed without checking to see that the ground is > still there. The actions themselves entail the faith; they do not result > from faith, they are the faith. An interesting additional issue is when we > do and do not explicitly talk about the things we have faith in. It might > also be an additional issue on what basis some people have faith in a > "super-natural" "higher-power". (Both scare-quotes seem necessary, because > pretty everyone has faith in higher powers, and most people have faith in > things they don't have natural explanations for, but we seem to be focusing > primarily on the times when those faiths overlap.) > > Eric > > P.S. Curt, if you are into Power's Perceptual Control Theory, do you know > Richard Marken and Warren Manell's work? They wrote a great article for a > journal issue I am putting together. > > P.P.S. The notion of "blind" faith is really very modern. Certainly it was > not long ago that faith in the Judeo-Christian God was primarily supported > by experiential evidence. "Behold the wonders," "experience God in every > blade of grass," "check out this amazing cathedral," "our army won," etc. > The fact that we sometimes meaningfully talk about "blind faith" seems to > indicate that the normal meaning of the term "faith" is not inherently > blind. > > > **** > > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 12:21 AM, *Curt McNamara <[email protected]>* wrote:* > *** > > I had been nicely ignoring this thread in the belief (faith?) that it > would go away without affecting me. Alas, the need for a distraction from > grading has drawn me back into its basin of (strange) attraction. > > Faith: that the other drivers will stay on their side of the road. I don't > have to track every one exactly. > Action based on belief: ref. William Powers: Behavior, the Control of > Perception. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptual_control_theory > > Faith or belief: my mental models of the world will still be true > tomorrow. These models have been built over time by hypothesis, testing, > and adjustment (toddler and stairs example). > > Curt**** > > **** > > ============================================================**** > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv**** > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College**** > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org**** > > > ------------ > > Eric Charles > Assistant Professor of Psychology > Penn State University > Altoona, PA 16601 > > **** > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org**** > > > > **** > > **** > > -- > Doug Roberts > [email protected] > [email protected] **** > > http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins**** > > > 505-455-7333 - Office > 505-670-8195 - Cell**** > > ============================================================**** > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv**** > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College**** > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org**** > > **** > > > > > **** > > ============================================================**** > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv**** > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College**** > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org**** > > ** ** > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > -- Doug Roberts [email protected] [email protected] http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins <http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell
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