I was thinking more of the 12 Monkeys example, more so than the current 
phenomena of gun violence.  If any dogmatic group can kill us all by 
downloading a nanotech kit, shouldn't either 1) they be educated, isolated, or 
eliminated with haste or 2) there be strong controls on distributing some kinds 
of information.    It seems to me #2 is unacceptable, but the more likely 
outcome.

On 9/14/18, 5:20 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" <[email protected] on 
behalf of [email protected]> wrote:

    Well, sure.  If you intend to intervene, you have to choose the type of 
intervention.  So, the "Killing versus Letting Die" dilemma is a special form 
of "intervene or don't".  But if you choose to intervene, you have to also 
choose how to intervene.  One might choose to kill by positively reinforcing 
extant bad habits ... i.e. open a gun store or invest in Smith & Wesson.  
That's an intervention of a sort.  Another intervention might be to encourage 
one's mutual fund to disinvest in S&W or donate to a gun control PAC.  But none 
of these deny the more fundamental choice of whether to intervene or not.
    
    A *social* person may well choose to exacerbate it, thinking that it'll 
weed out the people with property XYZ (violent, ignorant, poor, whatever), 
while "civilized" people will inherently avoid killing each other with guns. Of 
course, such a person is probably ignorant of the full connectedness of the 
gene-space (which generates the phenomena of gun violence).  And if we allow 
for kin selection of any sort, then it's plausible that such sociality is the 
problem, not the cure. ... So, "no", it's not a slam dunk to assume that a 
social person would aim to mitigate the stupidity, at least at various scopes.
    
    On 09/14/2018 04:05 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
    > Wouldn't a social person aim to mitigate the stupidity, along the lines 
the of the resistance within the White House?
    > Or is there some reason it is best to bore on ahead with the stupidity?   
Because it is undemocratic or just because it is a bother?
    
    -- 
    ☣ uǝlƃ
    
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