Glen, I was trying very hard to be metaphorical and general and avoid addressing details, like the one you raise, that would require pages to discuss properly. But, I would definitely and immediately concede that Rosen, in particular, recognizes and deals with, sometimes more cleverly than others, with the kind of qualitative differences I mention. But, even there, I would suggest that the foundations of his work are still primarily derived from "Entropic Sciences" and their concepts and formulations.
davew On Wed, Oct 24, 2018, at 11:07 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > So ... Rosen's openness to material flow, closure to operational flow, > allows *both* endo- and exothermic sub-systems. But his (M,R)-systems > focus on maintaining organization using energy-material harvested from > the gradient, ignoring sub-systems that produce energy-material? > > On 10/24/18 9:20 AM, Prof David West wrote: > > I am pretty sure that the questions you pose, and the ideas of people > > like Rosen, arise from a failure to recognize the qualitative difference > > among structures and therefore miss the essence of "organization." > > This, in turn is largely attributable to the fact that we enjoy a highly > > developed "science" of Entropy and Entropic Structuralism (Physics, > > Chemistry, Astronomy, etc.) but almost no equivalent science of > > Anentropy. Recombinant DNA and CRISPR are at the level of alchemy in > > this regard. Sociology, Anthropology, Psychology, Ecology, etc. are, at > > best, aspiring to alchemy. > > pretentiously yours, > > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
