On the bounds of stupidity, there's at least a sucker born every minute, a large proportion of whom apparently benefit not at all from any kind of education.
A theoretical sequential machine, perhaps, that might melt a hole through the earth while simulating a cell. The hierarchy in this case looks like linguistic compression to me, a way of summarizing results, the system is not depending on the levels of organization to work, we find levels convenient for explanations of how the system works. -- rec -- On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 1:36 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks VERY much for posting some digested material from the paper. What > you say below seems to hearken back to what JonZ (or maybe JohnK?) said > awhile back, ... paraphrasing: that he would be hard-pressed to find > something that organisms can do that can't be duplicated by a sequential > machine. > > That type of statement and yours below do not *imply* that an effect was > NOT generated by a (semi)hierarchical structure. It merely implies > something like the parallelism theorem, that anything a (semi)hierarchial > system can do, a "flat" one can do (though perhaps with extra space or time > costs). Am I reading your statement right? > > On 5/2/19 12:02 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > > But they don't actually extract the levels of organization from the > model. They take the levels of organization as known facts and construct > observations of the model that make predictions consistent with the > levels. So if there are levels of organization as yet unidentified, they > are at least as obscure in the model as they are in reality. And to claim > that the levels of organization emerge from the model sort of ignores how > much work went into constructing the observations. > > > > On the other hand, one might be surprised that all these levels are > implicit in the amino acid sequences, but life knew that already, that's > why it only remembers the sequences. > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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