About levels. I tried to post this but ran into the size problem. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ynIauGuXsUgXvi8w0BuiY7VjfYrgGqgW/view?usp=drivesdk
----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Thu, May 2, 2019, 5:36 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > We used the Hearsay-II extensively as a model for how to do parallel, > distributed applications in the Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon. It > makes use of levels and communication among them, up, down and within a > level. Applications included factory automation, job shop scheduling, and > others. As a speech-understanding system it was replaced by Harpy which > was faster. > > Some will remember several other times that I have promoted this. I'm > just trying to help. > > Frank > > ----------------------------------- > Frank Wimberly > > My memoir: > https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly > > My scientific publications: > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 > > Phone (505) 670-9918 > > On Thu, May 2, 2019, 5:24 PM Roger Critchlow <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On the bounds of stupidity, there's at least a sucker born every minute, >> a large proportion of whom apparently benefit not at all from any kind of >> education. >> >> A theoretical sequential machine, perhaps, that might melt a hole through >> the earth while simulating a cell. >> >> The hierarchy in this case looks like linguistic compression to me, a way >> of summarizing results, the system is not depending on the levels of >> organization to work, we find levels convenient for explanations of how the >> system works. >> >> -- rec -- >> >> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 1:36 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks VERY much for posting some digested material from the paper. What >>> you say below seems to hearken back to what JonZ (or maybe JohnK?) said >>> awhile back, ... paraphrasing: that he would be hard-pressed to find >>> something that organisms can do that can't be duplicated by a sequential >>> machine. >>> >>> That type of statement and yours below do not *imply* that an effect was >>> NOT generated by a (semi)hierarchical structure. It merely implies >>> something like the parallelism theorem, that anything a (semi)hierarchial >>> system can do, a "flat" one can do (though perhaps with extra space or time >>> costs). Am I reading your statement right? >>> >>> On 5/2/19 12:02 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: >>> > But they don't actually extract the levels of organization from the >>> model. They take the levels of organization as known facts and construct >>> observations of the model that make predictions consistent with the >>> levels. So if there are levels of organization as yet unidentified, they >>> are at least as obscure in the model as they are in reality. And to claim >>> that the levels of organization emerge from the model sort of ignores how >>> much work went into constructing the observations. >>> > >>> > On the other hand, one might be surprised that all these levels are >>> implicit in the amino acid sequences, but life knew that already, that's >>> why it only remembers the sequences. >>> >>> -- >>> ☣ uǝlƃ >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>> FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> >>> http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >>> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> >
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