So you are teasing me, a little bit, right? I understand "internal" only if it contains no surplus beyond "hidden". I suppose that if you mean by inside only "a hidden subset of" then I have to go along with it. But now I have to think about whether your meaning has anything to do with what Frank and others mean when they talk about privileged access to a causal subjective mind.
Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [email protected] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 3:28 PM To: FriAM <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] hidden Yes, those hidden colored numbers inside the diagram would count as an example as well. But it's not a *good* example because the hop distance between the eyeball and the diagram is 0 (where as the hop distance between the eyeball and the image containing the QR code is 1 (you need your phone or something between your eyeball and the image). In order for the color coded number example to extrapolate to the others, you have to go *inside* the eyeball (and/or inside the head) ... which I wanted to avoid doing. Anyway, excellent! So now you understand what I mean when I say "internal states"! Yay! On 5/18/20 2:13 PM, [email protected] wrote: > I wonder if this conversation is an example of itself. I do not possess the > knowledge, language, etc to understand what you are saying, here, hence it is > "hidden". A color blind person lacks the code to see the numeral hidden > within the diagram. Is this a fair oversimplification of the concept you are > getting at? -- ☣ uǝlƃ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
