Then quit saying I don't have an inner life. The inner expeeiences are the memories I have in the present and at various times in the past and the wondering about whatever became of her (and others).
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, May 18, 2020, 8:48 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Frank, > > There are many things that you have experienced that I have not, and vv, > but no value is added by calling these “inner.” I can sort of go along > with Glen’s gloss on “inside”, but when you metamorphose it to “inner”, I > get antsy. > > > > But I think we have tilled this ground for all it is worth, for the > moment. > > > > Nick > > > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2020 8:02 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] hidden > > > > Forget covariant tensors (again). There was a beautiful, talented girl in > my sixth grade class. She could dance ballet, draw striking pictures, > etc. I thought of her occasionally over the decades. When Google search > became available I discovered that she was married to a celebrity. > > > > When you say that my inner life isn't private, Nick, do you mean you could > figure out her name given what I've just written? As I think of her face, > can you "see" it well enough to recognize her photo? > > > > I just don't understand what you mean when you question that I have a > private inner life. > > > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2020, 7:47 PM Jon Zingale <[email protected]> wrote: > > Frank, Glen, Nick, > > > > Glen writes: > > `... in last week's Zoom, I mentioned to Jon (in response > > to his query to Frank about RSA-encryption::mind) that I > > think homomorphic encryption is a better analogy (to mind).` > > > > Fully homomorphic encryption† was also the metaphor I originally > > had in mind. In an effort to not complicate matters, I decided to focus > > on the idea of public key encryption more generally. Thank you, Glen > > for taking it the rest of the way. Because Glen, Nick and I appear to > > differ on Frank's mind only in that we disagree about the way that > > Frank's mind is public, I will attempt to switch sides and argue for > > why his mind may be private. > > > > Firstly, while we may only need to know some combination of > > *transformations* which will allow us to know his mind, it may > > be the case that those transformations are not accessible to > > us. As an example and in analogy to computation, it may be the > > case that we are not the kind of machines which can recognize > > the language produced by a mind. While we as observers are > > able to finite automata our way along observations of Frank, > > his mind is producing context-free sentences, say. I don't > > entirely buy this argument, but it also may be defendable. > > As another example/analogy, we may be attempting to solve > > a problem analogous to those geometric problems of Greek > > antiquity††. It may take a psychological analog to Galois theory > > before we understand exactly why we can't know Frank's mind. > > > > Secondly, it may be that the encryption metaphor should > > actually be something closer to hashing. A friend of mine > > once said that *rememberings* were morphisms between > > *forgettings*. We are often ok with the idea that memory is > > lossy, but why not thoughts themselves? Perhaps, at least > > with regard to what we can observer of Frank, every time > > Frank thinks of a covariant tensor he is reconstituting > > something fundamentally different. The *remembering* is > > always between different *forgettings*. > > > > Ok, I am not sure I could necessarily defend these thoughts. > > Further, I am not sure they are necessarily helpful to our > > conversation. It seemed a good idea to try. > > > > On the topic of steganography, I wanted to mention the > > book *Steganographia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganographia>*. I > had originally read about it in some > > part of Neal Stephenson's *Baroque Cycle*, and it has since > > found a place in my heart. The book, originally written in > > 1499, is perhaps the oldest text on the subject of cryptography. > > What is amazing about the book is that it is an example of > > itself (nod to Nick). The plaintext content of the book is > > on the subject of magic, but for a reader clever enough to > > find the deciphering key the book is about cryptography. > > I had found a copy from the 1700's in the rare books library > > at the University of Texas some years ago. The content was > > *doubly hidden* from me as I neither had the deciphering > > key nor can I read Latin ;) > > > > Jon > > > > †: If any members of the group would like to form a reading > > group around Craig Gentry's thesis on FHE > <https://www.bookdepository.com/Fully-Homomorphic-Encryption-Scheme-Craig-Gentry/9781243663139>, > I would gladly > > participate. > > †† While it turned out that the Greek's assumptions about > > the power of a compass and straightedge were incorrect, > > work beginning with Margherita Beloch > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_Piazzola_Beloch> (and > culminating > > with the Huzita-Hatori > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huzita%E2%80%93Hatori_axioms> axioms) show > that origami would > > have been a more powerful choice! > > -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . > ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . > ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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