My point is that adding a virtual smiley, patting someone on that back, etc. 
can be forms of manipulation.   People that are prone to feeling tone and 
delivery rather before deconstructing content are vulnerable to that kind of 
manipulation.    Any intent can be stated for some something in a situation 
when someone gets upset.   There’s plenty of reason to be doubtful of such 
claims.

From: Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of "[email protected]" 
<[email protected]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 11:54 AM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism

We may disagree.  I think that some spaces should be safe for some purposes. 
The question to be discussed, on a case by case basis, is, Are the functions of 
a space improved or diminished by making it “safe” in some specific way.   But 
there’s another point, here.  Assuming one is trying to convince others, not 
just mouthing off, when does aggressive rhetoric assist in changing minds.  And 
if one is NOT trying to change minds, why exactly are we talking?  That’s NOT a 
rhetorical question.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/


From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:01 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism

Nick writes:

< Surely there is SOME value, SOME times, in just trying to “get on”.   >

I don’t see why the absence of that is hostility, or even bad.   I do see 
situations in which individuals want latitude to have any remarks they make 
taken as valid and kind should be afforded the same discomfort they impose on 
others.   I certainly am not arguing for safe spaces.   Actual safe spaces are 
controlled by people that hold some power.    Tear down that power – prevent 
communities -- and discussions will be safe.

Marcus
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