Steve, the sloshing space might be in the world of games that are blurring the boundary between on-line and physical reality - Pokemon go would be a trivial and simplistic example. This is an emerging SF trope - see Waltern Jon Williams, *This is Not a Game* - or my favorite Daniel Suarez *Daemon* and *Freedom* (same story over two novels).
davew On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, at 9:46 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > Jon - > I appreciate your observation about approaching the UV from either side, > there is definitely an asymmetry, though as with my earlier references to > "estuarial" it seems like there must be some intermediate territory where one > can wash or slosh back and forth each direction and find some commutivity? > I suspect *someone* has done some research/investigation on this in the realm > of Max Headroom <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reMRbvXfqAo>? I didn't > bother to Google but it seems like synchronicity if someone hasn't done a > Headroom workup on Trump, especially with "Network XXIII, a world where > nothing matters but ratings!". > I am also reminded (as I often am) of the Inter-reality > <https://journals.aps.org/pre/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevE.75.057201> work of > Gintautas and Hubler when I see the coupling, for example, of the slime-mold > and the robot face and when I think of the coupling of individuals in social > network contexts like Instagram (followers and influencers) where the fans > influence the influencers as much as vice-versa, or in odd hysteresis loops. > I think your point about identity and sources of information are very > relevant (and related to what I said last paragraph about who is leading and > who is following or who's influencing the influencers). > - Steve > >> From a naive glance, there appears a misleading duality, that of approaching >> the valley from one side or the other. For instance, the use of puppets to >> bring the non-human closer to the human: Jim Henson's work, the dancing >> figures in Kimmel's piece, the neural net fake exemplified by "Nixon's moon >> landing" >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rkQn-43ixs&ab_channel=NowThisNews>, neural >> net fever dreams of photorealistic models that never existed >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lE9tV9vm0&t=385s&ab_channel=TeroKarrasFI>, >> or the now all-to-common place notion of an embedded avatar as in "Snow >> Crash", "All Tomorrow's Parties", "The Matrix" ... >> From the other side come humans moving closer to the non-human or even >> simply a different human: plastic surgeries and botox'd lips, Thailand's >> cross-dressing prostitutes, internet catfishing, Victor-Victoria, "Boy's >> don't cry", butoh dance, (acting in general?). >> What seems strange to me is that in any puppet-puppeteer case it is not >> always clear that it is one bringing the other closer to the valley. It >> doesn't even appear to be directly a function of *being human* as in the >> case of this slime mould driven robot face >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0i-Df4w4KY&ab_channel=NewScientist>. Here >> a non-human puppeteers a non-human face, the combination of which drives an >> observer toward the uncanny valley. >> Other times, it isn't about misrepresentation but rather identity tracing or >> a transformation of representation. There is the holding fixed of Dorothy as >> she moves from black-and-white to Technicolor, the holding fixed of Mary >> Poppins as she enters an animated-context, or the transformation of Milo to >> "animated Milo" as he passes through the phantom tollbooth. >> There are also those themes that appear in some religions and sci-fi where >> humans themselves are vessels available to "ride" as puppets: Ghost in the >> Shell, Altered Carbon, or in the case of loa. An interesting, though >> tangential, case is that of stop motion animation. Here, it isn't really >> puppetry nor strictly animation. Like the former, there is something of an >> artifact in the world. Something that is there to be manipulated. Like the >> latter, these manipulations are enacted by something outside of time, part >> of a time outside of time, in-between the frames. >> Perhaps the most disconcerting aspect of such a frontier isn't being able to >> tell the difference between a fake or not, but not caring about the sources >> of information. With deep fakes come a kind of modularity, one where *voice* >> is treated like a backend to be swapped out. The *voice of Nixon* is lost >> among many or any. >> Here, China has already taken the plunge >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iZuffHPDAw&ab_channel=NewChinaTV>. We can >> all see that these news anchors are AI, and no one questions this fact. What >> becomes questionable, or rather obscured, is whose perspective we are >> presented with. But, this is already the case at once whenever scripted news >> is decoupled from whatever it is to be journalism. Again, I cite the >> *Telecom act* and the disappearance of the radio disc jockey. >> Lastly, there is the cyborg revolution. I am thinking of Donna Haraway's >> "Cyborg Manifesto" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Cyborg_Manifesto>, or >> every time I prepare a post by googling, looking through my books, or more >> generally consulting my extended mind. >> Sent from the Friam mailing list archive >> <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> at Nabble.com. >> >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . 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