Good point... esp MMORPGs I'm a big fan of WJW (and erstwhile friend, some 2 decades ago)
At your reference, I read suarez including Daemon this last year or so... Ready Player I and Ready Player II come to mind. > Steve, > > the sloshing space might be in the world of games that are blurring > the boundary between on-line and physical reality - Pokemon go would > be a trivial and simplistic example. This is an emerging SF trope - > see Waltern Jon Williams, /This is Not a Game/ - or my favorite Daniel > Suarez /Daemon/ and /Freedom/ (same story over two novels). > > davew > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, at 9:46 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> >> Jon - >> >> I appreciate your observation about approaching the UV from either >> side, there is definitely an asymmetry, though as with my earlier >> references to "estuarial" it seems like there must be some >> intermediate territory where one can wash or slosh back and forth >> each direction and find some commutivity? I suspect *someone* has >> done some research/investigation on this in the realm of Max Headroom >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reMRbvXfqAo>? I didn't bother to >> Google but it seems like synchronicity if someone hasn't done a >> Headroom workup on Trump, especially with "Network XXIII, a world >> where nothing matters but ratings!". >> >> I am also reminded (as I often am) of the Inter-reality >> <https://journals.aps.org/pre/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevE.75.057201> >> work of Gintautas and Hubler when I see the coupling, for example, of >> the slime-mold and the robot face and when I think of the coupling of >> individuals in social network contexts like Instagram (followers and >> influencers) where the fans influence the influencers as much as >> vice-versa, or in odd hysteresis loops. >> >> I think your point about identity and sources of information are very >> relevant (and related to what I said last paragraph about who is >> leading and who is following or who's influencing the influencers). >> >> - Steve >> >> >>> From a naive glance, there appears a misleading duality, that of >>> approaching the valley from one side or the other. For instance, the >>> use of puppets to bring the non-human closer to the human: Jim >>> Henson's work, the dancing figures in Kimmel's piece, the neural net >>> fake exemplified by "Nixon's moon landing" >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rkQn-43ixs&ab_channel=NowThisNews>, >>> neural net fever dreams of photorealistic models that never existed >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lE9tV9vm0&t=385s&ab_channel=TeroKarrasFI>, >>> or the now all-to-common place notion of an embedded avatar as in >>> "Snow Crash", "All Tomorrow's Parties", "The Matrix" ... >>> >>> From the other side come humans moving closer to the non-human or >>> even simply a different human: plastic surgeries and botox'd lips, >>> Thailand's cross-dressing prostitutes, internet catfishing, >>> Victor-Victoria, "Boy's don't cry", butoh dance, (acting in general?). >>> >>> What seems strange to me is that in any puppet-puppeteer case it is >>> not always clear that it is one bringing the other closer to the >>> valley. It doesn't even appear to be directly a function of *being >>> human* as in the case of this slime mould driven robot face >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0i-Df4w4KY&ab_channel=NewScientist>. >>> Here a non-human puppeteers a non-human face, the combination of >>> which drives an observer toward the uncanny valley. >>> >>> Other times, it isn't about misrepresentation but rather identity >>> tracing or a transformation of representation. There is the holding >>> fixed of Dorothy as she moves from black-and-white to Technicolor, >>> the holding fixed of Mary Poppins as she enters an animated-context, >>> or the transformation of Milo to "animated Milo" as he passes >>> through the phantom tollbooth. >>> >>> There are also those themes that appear in some religions and sci-fi >>> where humans themselves are vessels available to "ride" as puppets: >>> Ghost in the Shell, Altered Carbon, or in the case of loa. An >>> interesting, though tangential, case is that of stop motion >>> animation. Here, it isn't really puppetry nor strictly animation. >>> Like the former, there is something of an artifact in the world. >>> Something that is there to be manipulated. Like the latter, these >>> manipulations are enacted by something outside of time, part of a >>> time outside of time, in-between the frames. >>> >>> Perhaps the most disconcerting aspect of such a frontier isn't being >>> able to tell the difference between a fake or not, but not caring >>> about the sources of information. With deep fakes come a kind of >>> modularity, one where *voice* is treated like a backend to be >>> swapped out. The *voice of Nixon* is lost among many or any. >>> >>> Here, China has already taken the plunge >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iZuffHPDAw&ab_channel=NewChinaTV>. >>> We can all see that these news anchors are AI, and no one questions >>> this fact. What becomes questionable, or rather obscured, is whose >>> perspective we are presented with. But, this is already the case at >>> once whenever scripted news is decoupled from whatever it is to be >>> journalism. Again, I cite the *Telecom act* and the disappearance of >>> the radio disc jockey. >>> >>> Lastly, there is the cyborg revolution. 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