The Atlantic article explains very well the social component.    The belief 
that if we just shut our eyes to reason, that we'll behave better and it will 
be for the greater good.   Like religion.  But our behavior will be whatever it 
will be.  

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Hilarious video! But I have to disagree with your flattening of "people to 
groove with". It's entirely plausible that what people are pointing at in some 
cases is reflective, another kind of loop. E.g. when my friend says they 
LOOOVVVVEEEEDDD "The Tao of Physics" and it helped her understand her cancer 
and how having a good attitude helped her recover, what she's pointing at is 
not a thing purely outside herself. She's pointing at a social process of which 
she's a component.

Free will may have a similar social element. I don't know. But it wouldn't 
imply there was no object to go along with the sign just because the sign 
points to itself as the object. Graph nodes with self-self edges are not 
necessarily degenerate.

On 4/2/21 11:59 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> This video that has been making the rounds in my world.  That look on his 
> face when he tries to explain the thing he knows is Really Important.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qH27g5Zoc
> 
> Anyway, people point at things as Really Important all the time, and on 
> closer inspection they aren't pointing at anything.   They found some people 
> to groove with, and that's all there is to it. 

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