Stellar Eric! Two observations:
I recently learned the term "Teleonomic" which I really like as an alternative to "Telelogical" in many cases. And what of the difference between "Light follows a shortest-time path through space" and "Light IS the shortest time path through space"? Both of the latter may be wrong, but they are qualitatively different in an interesting way, no? - Steve On 5/8/21 9:13 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: > English has two categories of verbs: intransitive and transitive. > > If you use an intransitive verb — “yet it moves” — the Metaphor Nazi > will catch you coming: claiming you are representing volition. > > If you use a transitive verb — “it is moved by gravity” — the Metaphor > Nazi will catch you going: claiming an agent/patient relation, where > the agent is probably (metaphorically) God (!), or whatever God is a > metaphor for. > > And we have from Ecclesiastes (the verse in praise of the Metaphor Nazi): > http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/59.html#:~:text=If%20there%20be%20nothing%20new%20(1)%3A%20Compare%20Ecclesiastes%201.9,new%20thing%20under%20the%20sun.%22 > <http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/59.html#:~:text=If there be > nothing new (1): Compare Ecclesiastes 1.9,new thing under the sun."> > Ecclesiastes 1.9: "The thing that hath been is that which shall be; > and that which hath been done is that which shall be done; and there > is no new thing under the sun." > > To which the scientist (note small “s”) would like to assert “the > language of mechanics is not English; speaking it is a new practice > available to people to participate in”. > > But let Shakespeare have the last word: > > If there be nothing new, but that which is > Hath been before, how are our brains beguil'd, > Which, labouring for invention, bear amiss > The second burthen of a former child! > O, that record could with a backward look, > Even of five hundred courses of the sun, > Show me your image in some antique book, > Since mind at first in character was done! > That I might see what the old world could say > To this composed wonder of your frame; > Whether we are mended, or whe'r better they, > Or whether revolution be the same. > O! sure I am, the wits of former days > To subjects worse have given admiring praise. > > Eric > > >> On May 9, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Prof David West <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> The ball accelerated is clearly a metaphor as it implies that the >> ball is doing a specific thing, that the ball has behavior and >> probably volition. This is clearly not what you literally mean. >> >> davew >> >> >> On Sat, May 8, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >>> "The ball accelerated at approximately 32 feet per second squared >>> at sea level in a vacuum." >>> >>> doesn't seem to be a metaphor to me. >>> >>> --- >>> Frank C. Wimberly >>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>> >>> 505 670-9918 >>> Santa Fe, NM >>> >>> On Sat, May 8, 2021, 3:07 PM <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Listen, Fella! >>> >>> >>> >>> It’s metaphors all the way down! >>> >>> >>> >>> [shoe thrown] >>> >>> >>> >>> n >>> >>> >>> >>> Nick Thompson >>> >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >>> >>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,76cwsDofsJZfToBxaQU6zR5cllp_k59wtln_iQtSrD8ozjyEN9kt0FPUs4RnuGnWMKFW-nOw3wJjMgAgCJAkSTlh3C3YKbI75yNyUMUvvw,,&typo=1> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Friam <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Gary Schiltz >>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 8, 2021 1:36 PM >>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis >>> >>> >>> >>> First of all, it's just a metaphor (ducking, the shoe barely >>> missing my head) :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> Second of all, that description of animal development sure >>> sounds to me like "following a script". >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 2:23 PM <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> This struck me: >>> >>> >>> >>> When animals develop, they don’t follow a script. Instead, >>> responding to their environment, the cells negotiate and >>> feel their way toward a final form. A fertilized egg >>> divides, and divides again, creating a hollow ball of cells >>> called a blastula; genes instruct these cells to release >>> chemicals, and other cells, reacting to those chemical >>> concentrations, decide to migrate elsewhere or to develop >>> into specific types of tissue. Other influences—oxygen, >>> nutrients, hormones, sometimes toxins—further shape >>> gestation. >>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/persuading-the-body-to-regenerate-its-limbs?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_050821&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd678d924c17c104801f684&cndid=40835928&hasha=1dc6f15a30be2d4712fae5f0e5a9a679&hashb=5e4befc88214fadc869224d7cb34d55f51451bc7&hashc=0c6ef6b7bc8221288e1f4a4ca0116d78a21ebdbe47949488640c7c54c93120fb&esrc=AUTO_PRINT&utm_term=TNY_Daily >>> >>> <https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/persuading-the-body-to-regenerate-its-limbs?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_050821&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd678d924c17c104801f684&cndid=40835928&hasha=1dc6f15a30be2d4712fae5f0e5a9a679&hashb=5e4befc88214fadc869224d7cb34d55f51451bc7&hashc=0c6ef6b7bc8221288e1f4a4ca0116d78a21ebdbe47949488640c7c54c93120fb&esrc=AUTO_PRINT&utm_term=TNY_Daily> >>> >>> >>> >>> First, note the reliance on psychological terms. 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