An element of a (very short) cycle. Note that there has to be a delay. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 7:44 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Frank, > > > > In your lingo, what is an effect called that feeds back on its cause? > > > > Nick Thompson > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Sunday, November 28, 2021 7:15 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation > > > > Yes, for example. > > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 6:06 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > > I guess you mean A(t=0)->B(t=1), B(t=1)->A(t=2), not B(t=1)->A(t=0) > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Sunday, November 28, 2021 3:46 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation > > > > I did a number of experiments in the use of causal learning methods to > infer genetic regulatory networks using actual and simulated data. Those > networks have loops of a variety of lengths. References available upon > request. > > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 4:41 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > > I just don't see how that is a "loop" except that repeated application of > such a matrix could lead to oscillation. It sounded like somehow > causality was violated and not just obscured. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ? glen > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 3:38 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation > > Right, high dimension. More important than the matrix being large is that > it has non-zero cross terms. > > On November 28, 2021 8:42:37 AM PST, Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> > wrote: > >The operators are large (in the sense of a matrix) whether or not they > are intended to be? > > > >> On Nov 28, 2021, at 6:20 AM, ⛧ glen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Any of the evolutionary operators across scales, from energy exchange > at the finest to ecosystem reengineering at the coarsest. > >> > >>> On November 27, 2021 7:33:15 AM PST, Marcus Daniels < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>> I’ve heard these words from you Glen, but I have no idea what these > loops are or what you might be talking about. > >>> > -- > glen ⛧ > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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