On Nov 28, 2021, at 7:15 PM, Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote:
By the way an example of a cycle with no delay, unless time isn't
continuous, is a pair of ladders leaning against each other so that
neither falls. That violates assumptions of our causal discovery
algorithms.
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On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 7:57 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote:
An element of a (very short) cycle. Note that there has to be a
delay.
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On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 7:44 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank,
In your lingo, what is an effect called that feeds back on
its cause?
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*From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of
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Yes, for example.
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On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 6:06 PM Marcus Daniels
<[email protected]> wrote:
I guess you mean A(t=0)->B(t=1), B(t=1)->A(t=2), not
B(t=1)->A(t=0)
*From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of
*Frank Wimberly
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I did a number of experiments in the use of causal
learning methods to infer genetic regulatory networks
using actual and simulated data. Those networks have
loops of a variety of lengths. References available upon
request.
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On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 4:41 PM Marcus Daniels
<[email protected]> wrote:
I just don't see how that is a "loop" except that
repeated application of such a matrix could lead to
oscillation. It sounded like somehow causality was
violated and not just obscured.
-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
? glen
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 3:38 PM
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Right, high dimension. More important than the matrix
being large is that it has non-zero cross terms.
On November 28, 2021 8:42:37 AM PST, Marcus Daniels
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The operators are large (in the sense of a matrix)
whether or not they are intended to be?
>
>> On Nov 28, 2021, at 6:20 AM, ⛧ glen
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Any of the evolutionary operators across scales,
from energy exchange at the finest to ecosystem
reengineering at the coarsest.
>>
>>> On November 27, 2021 7:33:15 AM PST, Marcus
Daniels <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I’ve heard these words from you Glen, but I have
no idea what these loops are or what you might be
talking about.
>>>
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