The contrast between fewer replication cycles of vampires that live thousands of years vs. many generations of short-lived mortals seems related.. Is the walk deep and informative, or is the key thing to stay away from attractors? If there are truly billions of individuals, then short trips can explore a large space -- if there is communication between individuals and across generations. -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 11:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics
What always seems to be missing in these discussions is the (my?) always present ability to [re]parse the world at will. Yes, there are gravity wells or attractors where if you start insisting on a security detail everywhere you go, you'll end up like Trump, Romney, or Sanders, surrounded by a nearly impermeable membrane that disallows authentic "go with the flow" non-consciousness/non-deliberation. But my tendency to (or ability to) prefer writing a script/macro over doing some computation manually doesn't interfere in a substantial way with my ability to do the manual labor in any given iteration. The size of the computation can interfere, but not the attractor. That's what makes me episodic, the lack of stickiness to whatever professionalization I've engaged in before. On a humble day, I claim it's because I'm just too stupid and lazy to really invest in building the attractor. On an arrogant day, I claim those who build and get stuck in such attractors are mindless automatons who can't think their way out of a paper bag. >8^D On 4/12/22 10:42, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Vitalik Buterin remarked, “An emotional part of me says that once you start > going down that way, /professionalizing/ is just another word for losing your > soul” [1] > > That sounds plausible. However, I have long thought that an important part > of productivity is to find consciousness-lowering habits. Just attach to > whatever is front of you and forget about the motivations and the big > picture. For one thing, it is rare that one can really change the big > picture. For two it is necessary to get in the critical path of a process to > disrupt it. The nihilistic episodic personality doesn’t have to impose a > narrative before going on excursion. Too much evaluation and reflection and > one’s action as a virion cannot move forward! There is plenty of time to > wake up a judgmental brain process once embedded. But what are judgements > really informed by if sampling is based on an outsiders’ view? This kind of > ties into Glen’s local reset idea. > > [1] https://time.com/6158182/vitalik-buterin-ethereum-profile/ > <https://time.com/6158182/vitalik-buterin-ethereum-profile/> > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2022 10:19 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive > heuristics > > Marcus - > > Steve writes: > > < Arguments for generational rather than Individual/personal growth > and transformation... > > “I don’t think we should try to have people live for a really long > time,” Musk recently told Insider. “It would cause asphyxiation of society > because the truth is, most people don’t change their mind. They just die. So > if they don’t die, we will be stuck with old ideas and society wouldn’t > advance.” > > > > > Maybe not? > > > > https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01769-4 > <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01769-4> > > I do think there is plenty of room for individual growth/transformation in > one lifetime and perhaps Psi research will (continue to) provide yet-more > tools for facilitating that. > > It isn't clear to me that merely loosening up neural pathways so that they > can be re-created yields healthy growth as such. I'd like to think it can > be, but as the neo-luddite that I tend toward, I can't help but seeing the > myriad ways it can go wrong as well. This negative ideation is probably a > self-referential example of the topic itself. > > Following RECs original subject: I'm interested I suppose in understanding > more-better the myriad scales and dimensions of adaptivity of "Life Itself", > with the human (individual as well as cultural) experience being the one most > relevant to my own life, but not exclusively. -- Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
